Restringing a 12-string

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So I finally got around to restringing my new F212XL....

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What a nightmare! Just to begin with, removing the strings, I'm using the "Taylor technique," loosen all the strings so you can remove the bridge pins, then just take out the ends from the bridge, OK, no problem. Now just unwind the strings from the posts and pull them out of the hole, right? But wait, why won't they just come out? They're like locked onto the posts! Using the wire cutter just makes it harder to get them out. What a pain!

OK, I finally got all the strings off the damn posts. Cleaned up the fretboard, which didn't really need it, polished the top a bit, on to the stringing!

I'd bought several sets of strings off reverb or ebay many years ago, and I had what I thought was a new set of Martin SP phosphor bronze 10-47s. Wait a minute, this set had been opened! I had a heck of a time figuring out what was what. It was all messed up! Well, I could certainly tell what was the low E string, so I put that on. OMG wait, the octave low E is supposed to go on first! Well, too late now. I'll just have to pretend I've got it set up like Doyle Dykes does it, for that low E anyway.

In between trying to figure out what string goes where, I had to go out and plow the 6 inches of snow off our driveway. That was going OK until I got stuck perched at the top our our incline where our driveway meets the gravel forest service road. Had to back down the incline, which is scary since the driveway edge is a 15 foot dropoff.

Some ridiculous number of hours later, I had the guitar all restrung, none the worse for wear... except for a couple of bleeding episodes. I'm not even sure if I've got strings in all the right places. Is the octave G actually a high E string? Sounds good though! Still, when the roads clear up a bit, I might just take her into town and have the local luthier restring it with some D'Addarios... You know, where all the right strings are for sure in all the right places....... :rolleyes:
 

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So I finally got around to restringing my new F212XL....

fin296.jpg

What a nightmare! Just to begin with, removing the strings, I'm using the "Taylor technique," loosen all the strings so you can remove the bridge pins, then just take out the ends from the bridge, OK, no problem. Now just unwind the strings from the posts and pull them out of the hole, right? But wait, why won't they just come out? They're like locked onto the posts! Using the wire cutter just makes it harder to get them out. What a pain!

OK, I finally got all the strings off the damn posts. Cleaned up the fretboard, which didn't really need it, polished the top a bit, on to the stringing!

I'd bought several sets of strings off reverb or ebay many years ago, and I had what I thought was a new set of Martin SP phosphor bronze 10-47s. Wait a minute, this set had been opened! I had a heck of a time figuring out what was what. It was all messed up! Well, I could certainly tell what was the low E string, so I put that on. OMG wait, the octave low E is supposed to go on first! Well, too late now. I'll just have to pretend I've got it set up like Doyle Dykes does it, for that low E anyway.

In between trying to figure out what string goes where, I had to go out and plow the 6 inches of snow off our driveway. That was going OK until I got stuck perched at the top our our incline where our driveway meets the gravel forest service road. Had to back down the incline, which is scary since the driveway edge is a 15 foot dropoff.

Some ridiculous number of hours later, I had the guitar all restrung, none the worse for wear... except for a couple of bleeding episodes. I'm not even sure if I've got strings in all the right places. Is the octave G actually a high E string? Sounds good though! Still, when the roads clear up a bit, I might just take her into town and have the local luthier restring it with some D'Addarios... You know, where all the right strings are for sure in all the right places....... :rolleyes:
Hahaha! Nice band aids, Cougs.

Haven't you done string changes on your JF-30-12? Surprised by you being confused on the stringing...
 

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While not a 12 string, I had a Martin 0-16NY, slothead stock. the b string would always get me. Every single time.
 

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One of the several reasons I divested myself of a 12 string. Love that sound though. I started pushing ball ends that stick in the hole up through the pin holes with my free hand through the sound hole. It's become a habit.

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Ha! Listen to all you 12 string restring wimps, LoL. I think it’s Zen like and 6 more strings is all the better.

Cougar, ya shoulda followed his guide here:
 

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Honestly, once you get used to them, the slotted tuners of the New Hartford F412s and 512s make restringing quite a bit easier, I think. Does the F212XL not have them?
 

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Honestly, once you get used to them, the slotted tuners of the New Hartford F412s and 512s make restringing quite a bit easier, I think. Does the F212XL not have them?
an F212XL is not slotted. for sure.
 

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My F30 sized guitars do fine with the D’Addario light PB’s or 80/20’s. I tried mediums for a while but didn’t care for them. My fingers were not happy. I like the bluegrass hybrid med/lights better, especially if tuned down. If you haven’t looked at those they are definitely worth a try. Otherwise for standard tuning I’m happy with the lights.
 

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My F30 sized guitars do fine with the D’Addario light PB’s or 80/20’s. I tried mediums for a while but didn’t care for them. My fingers were not happy. I like the bluegrass hybrid med/lights better, especially if tuned down. If you haven’t looked at those they are definitely worth a try. Otherwise for standard tuning I’m happy with the lights.
and sometimes, I prefer the old D'A 80/20 lights, that are $4.89 on amazon, shipped with prime. crazy.
They don't last long but once they calm down after a couple weeks, they sound better IMHO than the more famous PBs.
 

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I agree Woody. Those 80/20’s can add life to some guitars. My A50 flat top is gloriously rosewood rich but very dark. The PB’s do not work at all on it, but the 80/20’s make it come alive. On the other hand, for the F30 hog the PB’s give it some needed depth where the 80/20’s are often just too thin. Each guitar is different. It’s good to experiment.
 
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I have been procrastinating changing the 12 string slothead for quite a few years now... :eek:
I understand your diIemma merlin. I restrung my friend's 1969 Martin D12-35 once in 1972.....what a nightmare. I double inserted the unwrapped strings in the barrel hole and I did it without a pegwinder.
I restrung my G312SB twice since August, used D'Addairo Phosphor Bronze 10s and ended up with a metallic twanging G octave. As much as I tried it wouldn't resolve so I played it for a month and restrung it with Martin Marquis10s and the metallic sound was gone.

When I restring my 12 or even a 6 string, I wind down the tension on all the strings to where there is almost no tone; cut them all at the sound hole, pull the bridge pins then it's easy to dislodge the barrels from under the bridge; then pull each string, unraveling them, from the corresponding peg clearing all of them before starting the installation. All the strings are packaged in pairs, so I do each pair, octave string first and wind each pair, enough to get some tone and then proceed to the next pair. I tune all the strings twice leaving them slightly sharpe the first time around and I leave the G octave for last. The second time it took me 45 minutes. I'm glad that I can do it myself without any frustration.:cool:
 
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Honestly, once you get used to them, the slotted tuners of the New Hartford F412s and 512s make restringing quite a bit easier, I think. Does the F212XL not have them?
Do not like them for the high 'E' and octave 'G,' just can't get them started so they stay. Probably just need more practice.
 

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I never lock my strings when restringing, which makes removing the strings a lot easier. The first winding is around the string post ABOVE the string, the rest are BELOW. Each string is wound around the post about four times, maybe more on the treble strings and less on the bass strings.

I never have a problems with slippage.

I also use a Power-winder to put strings on and take 'em off, which, given the amount of time I spend restringing guitars (a lot!) makes life a little easier.
 

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I retrofitted all of my 12 strings with locking tuners (and a few 6 string guitars, too). There are several very nice options available, including Grover Rotomatics and the Ratio tuners by Graph Tech, though the lightest-weight locking tuners by far are made by Sperzel (with several color choices available - see image). I have and have tried most all the brands, and definitely have my favorites. But they all work great.

You dial the post open, pull the string taut through the post, dial the post closed, and turn the tuner knob a couple of times to bring the string to pitch. Clip off the excess string and you are all done. Taking the strings off is ridiculously fast, as you do not have multiple windings to deal with, let alone string ends that bind or wrap on themselves.

You can return the joy back to your string-changing time, even for 12 string guitars.

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Ha! Listen to all you 12 string restring wimps, LoL. I think it’s Zen like and 6 more strings is all the better.

Cougar, ya shoulda followed his guide here:

Bookmarked! Thanks! It will definitely help when I get a fresh set of strings and they're all in the right little packets, or the ball ends are color coded!
 

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Honestly, once you get used to them, the slotted tuners of the New Hartford F412s and 512s make restringing quite a bit easier, I think. Does the F212XL not have them?
Not the New Hartford F212XL. Just looking at those slotted things on my other guitars freaked me out. How the heck to those work? :eek:
 

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I also use a Power-winder to put strings on and take 'em off....
Oh man, I gotta get one of those. I had a hand crank winder, which was better than nothing I guess, but a power-winder: I'm going over to Amazon right now! And for some D'A 80-20 lights!
 
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