jedzep
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No, my error. Thnx!
So- called deluxe vintage tuners
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I wish they had a building with a counter service. They are right in the ZIP code where I work.
That would be nice if they had a pickup window, although a bit of a drive for me 
Have you driven over, Steve? Most manufacturing shops that I've visited have an office of some sort where you can get stuff, even if it's not advertised that way. Anyway, that's cool.
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No, he works out of his home,and specifically states that there is no in person pickup. He did sell a couple of things to me once, only because I delivered 8-10 boxes to him in person.
Br1ck
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The problem with the lowest rung on the model ladder is that once you add this, and add that, get a pearl logo, etc., you end up with a $500 retail increase. Then complaints pour in about expense. How many can't stand the D 25 three on a plate tuners back in the day. Yet fifty three years later, my D 35 tuners work fine, as does the substandard spruce top. The silkscreen logo is darned near faded away though. And the Guild logo case is in fine shape, though it is not arched like the better ply cases. Certainly more durable than the falling apart 07 Martin plastic case I replaced with a Hiscox. Guild has made a terrific guitar for what these days is not a lot of money.
That's a fair argument regarding the D-20, Br1ck, but it doesn't hold for the F-40 Traditional that GGJaguar was talking about earlier.
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Here is a picture of my D-20, if it would help...
Br1ck
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I would not give the tuners a second thought. If you are coming from an enclosed tuner like a Grover Rotomatic, any open back will seem stiff, including Waverlys. I think it's the gear ratio. But the weight savings more than makes up for the stiffness, as it's about 6 oz. less hanging off your headstock. They likely will function for fifty years or more. Swap them if you wish, but they work fine.
Walter Broes
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Not all thát surprised they're using the Der Jung tuners - Cordoba's been using the Der Jungs on their classical guitars. The classical DJ tuners have a good reputation. These Grover Statite-looking ones are OK, but definitely not as good as Gotoh or Waverly.
Eastman uses the openback Grover Statite-alikes by DJ on a lot of acoustics too.
Eastman uses the openback Grover Statite-alikes by DJ on a lot of acoustics too.
jedzep
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The DerJung's on Bob's guitar aren't universally badmouthed, and have some good reviews. Also, they are dropins for many modern Martin Grover and Waverly found on their standard series and others. I just don't happen to like the scallop type button that comes with the Grovers.
Might follow your advice, Bob, and call Guild for a set. Otherwise, I'm stuck with SMac Golden Age Restoration machines or higher dollar Waverly.
Why can't I leave well enough alone?
Might follow your advice, Bob, and call Guild for a set. Otherwise, I'm stuck with SMac Golden Age Restoration machines or higher dollar Waverly.
Why can't I leave well enough alone?
jedzep
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I believe these 'Golden Gate' tuners, which are imprinted DJ3 on back, are on Bob's D. I bought a set a few years back to put on a 20 yr old Martin OM to replace awful closed lok-tites with clunky looking butterbeans. I dug through my basket of tuners and found them. Guild's email link doesn't work, and no one picks up the phone so screw 'em. They're decent machines. Good luck with your D, Bob.
Br1ck
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I can't answer your question. Some people just need to tinker. No need, but no harm either. Just say that when my luthiers called to ask what I wanted to do with the tuners when I had all the work done on my D 35, he was happy when I said nothing.
Whenever I take my 65 Texan to him, he comments on how many want to go back to the original adjustable saddle. He has a few in his parts drawer, but wants to keep them as parts in case he has to replace something in an adjustable saddle. I must say, I dislike the look of a lot of early Guild tuners, but doubt it would have me replacing them.
jedzep
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I had been squirreling away two beautiful sets of pre-war G98s that I got from 'Grateful Dad', Jim Dulfer, from UMGF fame, hoping I would find vintage Martins to put them on. When prices went catatonic I sold them off to a couple guys who had wartime Martins. Made a couple hundred bucks, and abandoned the dream.
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Here is a side view showing the screw on the end of the knobs...
jedzep
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Guild did email me, as a side note, and are willing to sell these separately. Since I already own a set via Amazon, I may ask them what their price would be out of curiosity.
Yeah, it was a lot of work to replace the tuners on my M-40. Unfortunately, the original tuner bushings needed to be removed and they are in there tight! I managed to pry up the headstock facing a little when the bushings came out. The new bushings fit and the existing screw holes match, so these Gotohs are a possibility. Still have the originals if anybody needs them