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adorshki
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Thought the F45ce's had florentine cutaways?
Wouldn't it be one of the confusingly named F30ce's with a venetian cutaway and chesterfield?
(Missed the chesterfield myself because I paused the vid at a place where the neck look like it actually had block markers, so never really looked at the headstock)
Another detail to know is that Songbirds are 15-3/4 inch lower bouts, F-series are 16". All the "Fxxce's" had the 24-3/4 scale neck until mid '94.Gorgeous... I'll take it
adorshki
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See above.Ah, I see it now. Thanks so much. Dot markers and Chesterfield. Gotcha!!
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Did Hans just get Al'ed??
GGJaguar
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As the Guild Ambassador, Hans has immunity.
adorshki
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Maybe not.Did Hans just get Al'ed??
Actually realized the F30ce had a Fishman "barndoor" pre-amp while the F45ce had the (I think) AGP system indicated by the knob. Hard to tell for sure but looks like the guitar in the vid has a knob even though venetian "cutaway-ed".
That seemed to ring a vague bell that I might have actually seen a very late F45ce built that way, think I thought it must have been transitional to the Prestige or "F-series" models, so roughly '92. Image search isn't too helpful given the low production numbers of that model overall.
SJS
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Many thanks. Love this website. If you're a Guild-O-phile this place is like schoolThought the F45ce's had florentine cutaways?
Wouldn't it be one of the confusingly named F30ce's with a venetian cutaway and chesterfield?
(Missed the chesterfield myself because I paused the vid at a place where the neck look like it actually had block markers, so never really looked at the headstock)
Another detail to know is that Songbirds are 15-3/4 inch lower bouts, F-series are 16". All the "Fxxce's" had the 24-3/4 scale neck until mid '94.
adorshki
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Guild-spotting's almost as much fun as car-spotting in old movies.Many thanks. Love this website. If you're a Guild-O-phile this place is like school
Easy cues are headstock inlays, neck inlays, and body shape.
The F30ce for example was a blinged-down version of the F65ce and was actually dropped when the F-series went long-scale in '94.
It's sometimes confused with the actual F30, but that was on hiatus at the time so it wasn't technically a "misnomer". But '90's F30ce's are definitely 16" lower bout F-bodies. (F30's, like Songbirds, were roughly 15-3/4" with some minor variation over the years)
The F45ce was introduced in '84 IIRC and introduced that 24-fret shortscale neck I mentioned. On dot-inlay versions the tell is the 2 dots at the 24th fret.
It also occurs to me that if you're leaning towards traditional flattop as opposed to the Songbird construction, you might be interested in F47ce's which made a very short appearance in late '80's IIRC and then was re-issued in '98.
By 2000 there was also a maple F47Mce
In Tacoma they revived the Florentine cutaway on a new (1-3/4" nut) neck attachment design as the "CV-2", but sadly the implementation was less than ideal. It was one of the rare occasions when they truly built some sub-par instruments. Necks were said to have been insufficiently dried and twisted within a short time resulting in a spike in warranty claims. Closure of Tacoma and liquidation of unsold and warranty return instruments through a refurbishing house further damaged the rep of that series.
To be fair many owners of well built-instruments love the sound, and the refurbishing house, MIRC, is a reputable business.
The F47"-"ce's returned in New Hartford through close in '14.
My personal pipe dream unicorn is an F47Rce with the 24-3/4" neck and a 1-11/16" nut. I've never seen one yet and the spec on that neck was always 1-5/8. I suspect because it was always intended to mimic the feel of an electric neck.
Given Guild's known variations on nut width even in the same year model, I can only hold out hope that maybe one oddball really did get out, but have even checked with owners over the years and it ain't showed up yet. I suspect they never messed with the template for that neck. Maybe they already had a ton of fingerboards cut.
Yamaha just bought 'em so maybe they'll hear my plaintive plea in the dark.
In the meantime I don't have to worry about trivial issues like cost.
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SJS
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Wow...many thanks. My music store guy is a Yamaha dealer and boy howdy Yamaha is making some extremely nice guitars. Played one that listed for about 2700. Very nice guitar. We'll see, I guess.Guild-spotting's almost as much fun as car-spotting in old movies.
Easy cues are headstock inlays, neck inlays, and body shape.
The F30ce for example was a blinged-down version of the F65ce and was actually dropped when the F-series went long-scale in '94.
It's sometimes confused with the actual F30, but that was on hiatus at the time so it wasn't technically a "misnomer". But '90's F30ce's are definitely 16" lower bout F-bodies. (F30's, like Songbirds, were roughly 15-3/4" with some minor variation over the years)
The F45ce was introduced in '84 IIRC and introduced that 24-fret shortscale neck I mentioned. On dot-inlay versions the tell is the 2 dots at the 24th fret.
It also occurs to me that if you're leaning towards traditional flattop as opposed to the Songbird construction, you might be interested in F47ce's which made a very short appearance in late '80's IIRC and then was re-issued in '98.
By 2000 there was also a maple F47Mce
In Tacoma they revived the Florentine cutaway on a new (1-3/4" nut) neck attachment design as the "CV-2", but sadly the implementation was less than ideal. It was one of the rare occasions when they truly built some sub-par instruments. Necks were said to have been insufficiently dried and twisted within a short time resulting in a spike in warranty claims. Closure of Tacoma and liquidation of unsold and warranty return instruments through a refurbishing house further damaged the rep of that series.
To be fair many owners of well built-instruments love the sound, and the refurbishing house, MIRC, is a reputable business.
The F47"-"ce's returned in New Hartford through close in '14.
My personal pipe dream unicorn is an F47Rce with the 24-3/4" neck and a 1-11/16" nut. I've never seen one yet and the spec on that neck was always 1-5/8. I suspect because it was always intended to mimic the feel of an electric neck.
Given Guild's known variations on nut width even in the same year model, I can only hold out hope that maybe one oddball really did get out, but have even checked with owners over the years and it ain't showed up yet. I suspect they never messed with the template for that neck. Maybe they already had a ton of fingerboards cut.
Yamaha just bought 'em so maybe they'll hear my plaintive plea in the dark.
In the meantime I don't have to worry about trivial issues like cost.
