Specs From Guild re: New Hartfort Build 2010 F412

[Shovelhead]

This is Noah with Guild Guitars, in response to your voicemail you left earlier today!

Here are our available specs for the 2010 F-412:

Body Top	Solid AAA Sitka Spruce
Body Back	Layered Flamed Maple
Body Sides	Solid Flamed Maple
Body Shape	Jumbo
Bracing	Scalloped Adirondack Spruce
Rosette	Black/White Striped with Abalone Center Ring
Finish	Gloss Nitrocellulose Lacquer
Body Depth Upper Bout	3 ¾” (95mm)
Body Depth Lower Bout	4 ¾” (120mm)
Body Length	20 5/8” (524mm)
Body Width Lower Bout	25 ½” (318mm)
Body Width Upper Bout	17 ¼” (438mm)
Overall Guitar Length	44″ (1118 mm)
Guitar Weight	5.5 lbs
Body Binding	White with B/W/B/W Trim
Purfling	B/W/B/W

Neck Material	3-Piece Mahogany/Walnut/Mahogany
Neck Shape	“C” Shape
Neck Finish	Gloss Nitrocellulose Lacquer
Scale Length	25 5/8” (651mm)
Nut Width	1 ¾” (46mm)
Nut Material	Bone
Neck Binding	White with B/W/B/W Trim with W/B/W Fingerboard Purfling
Fingerboard Material	Ebony
Fingerboard Radius	12″ (305 mm)
Fingerboard Inlays	Mother-of-Pearl/Abalone Block
# of Frets	20
Headstock Binding	White with B/W Trim
Tuning Machines	Gotoh® Open-Back 12-String
Hardware Finish/Plating	Gold-Plated
Truss Rod	Dual-Action
Truss Rod Wrench	4mm Hex Truss Rod Wrench

Bridge	Indian Rosewood
Saddle	Bone
Bridge Pins	Bone
Strings	D’Addario EXP (.010 – .047)
Case or Gig Bag	Premium Humidified Hard Shell Case
Strap Buttons	End-Pin
Pickguard	Tortoiseshell

 

[chazmo]

The body width specs are wrong, but it doesn't matter. Otherwise, looks right.

FYI, there are some really special things about the NH build that you should know about. First, the faceplate on the headstock is real ebony! Second, the neck is a single, dual-action truss rod flanked by two carbon rods. That TR configuration seems to have worked really well since it was introduced by Tacoma in 2007 and carried over into New Hartford.

Third, the maximum amount of weight reduction has been done on these beauties with the introduction of the Gotoh slotted-peg tuning machines.

Your getting the cream of the crop. Although, I'll put my 2006 Tacoma up against any of them.

 

[Shovelhead]

Chazmo .. are you a former employee or is it that your passion for these wondrous pieces of wood is through the roof?? Your knowledge base is impressive.

 

[chazmo]

Chazmo .. are you a former employee or is it that your passion for these wondrous pieces of wood is through the roof?? Your knowledge base is impressive.

Well, I know a thing or two about the New Hartford era, but my passion and knowledge are just like a lot of other folks around here. Stick around and enjoy. Congrats on your incoming F-512. I am sure you will not be disappointed. It was an F-512 that got me back into Guilds back in 2006!

 

[Cougar]

The body width specs are wrong....

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For sure, they really screwed up the upper and lower bout widths. But clearly they meant:​

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"Body Width Lower Bout.............17 ¼” (438mm)"​

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I was going to say "Aha! I was right!" In any case, I had to go and actually measure my JF30-12 to confirm. Dang, it is just 17". But then the body depth lower bout isn't "4 ¾” (120mm)"; it's 5 1/8"!

JF30-12​

Thought I better check the F512. OK, here we go: body width lower bout: 17 3/8!

 

[chazmo]

​

For sure, they really screwed up the upper and lower bout widths. But clearly they meant:​

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"Body Width Lower Bout.............17 ¼” (438mm)"​

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I was going to say "Aha! I was right!" In any case, I had to go and actually measure my JF30-12 to confirm. Dang, it is just 17". But then the body depth lower bout isn't "4 ¾” (120mm)"; it's 5 1/8"!

JF30-12​

Thought I better check the F512. OK, here we go: body width lower bout: 17 3/8!

Interesting. OK, maybe they changed the specs slightly. That's news. Your F-512 is what era, Cougs? NH?

 

[Cougar]

Interesting. OK, maybe they changed the specs slightly. That's news. Your F-512 is what era, Cougs? NH?

F512 is out of Oxnard. JF30-12 is out of Corona. The New Hartford F212XL is 17 3/8" too. I think the extra fraction on this and the 512 is largely due to the binding though.

 

[chazmo]

Breaking out the tape measure....

 

[chazmo]

Breaking out the tape measure....

Tacoma-era F-412. Very clearly (to me) 17-1/8" although I apologize that it looks like 17-1/16" from the pictures.. Trust me -- 17-1/8" at widest point measuring from outside of binding across the lower bout. In any case, it's definitely less than 17-1/4, @Cougar . I'll check my NH F-212XL next.

 

[GGJaguar]

My Oxnard F-412 is 17 5/16" across the lower bout and is exactly 4" deep.

 

[chazmo]

My 2006 Tacoma F-512 is exactly the same as my 2007 Tacoma F-412 at 17 1/8"

My 2010 New Hartford F-212XL however is a teenth wider, at 17 3/16". That's only a teenth below off the 17 1/4" specs for New Hartford, but still nowhere near 17 3/8" that Cougs measured. So, OK... I think New Hartford build slightly wider moulds than Tacoma and, news to me, increased the width by 1/16". Having said that, perhaps our measurement techniques / equipment are not the same.

Maybe Oxnard added another 1/8" to get 17 5/16", GG? Or, again, maybe our measurements are different.

This is all news to me, BTW. Very cool to have discovered something like that at this stage.

 

[adorshki]

My 2006 Tacoma F-512 is exactly the same as my 2007 Tacoma F-412 at 17 1/8"

My 2010 New Hartford F-212XL however is a teenth wider, at 17 3/16". That's only a teenth below off the 17 1/4" specs for New Hartford, but still nowhere near 17 3/8" that Cougs measured. So, OK... I think New Hartford build slightly wider moulds than Tacoma and, news to me, increased the width by 1/16". Having said that, perhaps our measurement techniques / equipment are not the same.

Maybe Oxnard added another 1/8" to get 17 5/16", GG? Or, again, maybe our measurements are different.

This is all news to me, BTW. Very cool to have discovered something like that at this stage.

Tape measures can be subject to stretch, and don't forget top radius will add slightly (1/16th"?) to width due to that slight arc of the top.

 

[Boneman]

your incoming F-512

Oops, @chazmo, he’s got an F412 incoming

 

[GAD]

Tape measures can be subject to stretch, and don't forget top radius will add slightly (1/16th"?) to width due to that slight arc of the top.

Steel tape measures don’t stretch. If you’re using a tailor’s cloth tape measure, then sure.

I’ve never seen anyone bend a steel tape measure around the radius of a fretboard and I’d think the radius would need to be pretty severe to affect the measurement

 

[Shovelhead]

You guys just have wayyyy too much time on yer hands ... but you are doing it all wrong. Make sure your tuners are tightened properly then re-measure the bouts

 

[adorshki]

You guys just have wayyyy too much time on yer hands ... but you are doing it all wrong. Make sure your tuners are tightened properly then re-measure the bouts

Bridgepins should be properly seated too, and leveled if necessary.

 

[Shovelhead]

Oops, @chazmo, he’s got an F412 incoming

Boneman ... there's 2 incoming. F412 2010 will be here thursday next week.
Brand new backordered F512 will be in Sweetwater's 2nd order in early Sept ... I won't drop 4 grand on an instrument sight unseen/unheard so I will be driving up to approve/disapprove of it.

 

[Cougar]

My 2010 New Hartford F-212XL however is a teenth wider, at 17 3/16". That's only a teenth below off the 17 1/4" specs for New Hartford, but still nowhere near 17 3/8" that Cougs measured.

Oops, I must have had a "senior moment." That should be 17 3/16.

 

[chazmo]

Oops, I must have had a "senior moment." That should be 17 3/16.

Oh, OK. Now we're pretty close, Cougs. That's a good match.

Steel tape measures don’t stretch. If you’re using a tailor’s cloth tape measure, then sure.

I’ve never seen anyone bend a steel tape measure around the radius of a fretboard and I’d think the radius would need to be pretty severe to affect the measurement

Yeah, top radius and tape stretch are not a factor in my measurements here.

I'll take some more readings on the various guitars tomorrow and see what I can gather, but it looks like Tacoma was 17 1/8" New Hartford was 17 3/16".

My Oxnard F-412 is 17 5/16" across the lower bout and is exactly 4" deep.

GG, are you sure about that? I don't have an Oxnard to measure. If so, it looks like Oxnard added 1/8" to the lower bout, which I find surprising, but hey it's all about learning, right?!?!

 

[chazmo]

My 2006 Tacoma F-512 is exactly the same as my 2007 Tacoma F-412 at 17 1/8"

My 2010 New Hartford F-212XL however is a teenth wider, at 17 3/16". That's only a teenth below off the 17 1/4" specs for New Hartford, but still nowhere near 17 3/8" that Cougs measured. So, OK... I think New Hartford build slightly wider moulds than Tacoma and, news to me, increased the width by 1/16". Having said that, perhaps our measurement techniques / equipment are not the same.

Maybe Oxnard added another 1/8" to get 17 5/16", GG? Or, again, maybe our measurements are different.

This is all news to me, BTW. Very cool to have discovered something like that at this stage.

My New Hartford F-50 Standard is also 17 3/16". So I have a sample of two from both Tacoma and New Hartford shops. That's of course with my tape measure and measuring to the outside of the guitars' bindings. Plus we have Cougs' New Hartford as well as a match.

Tacoma - 17 1/8"
New Hartford - 17 3/16"

Oxnard's specs says 17 1/4", but I have no Oxnards to measure.