Transitional D25: Mahogany top + arched back ?

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Can you tell me more about this model for those who played it? Is this night and day from the spruce top or the flatback?

Actually, I own a spruce top D25, wonder how it sound compared to it.

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Here's a great starter conversation. Since a D15 is essentially a mahogany topped D25.


 

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Here's a great starter conversation. Since a D15 is essentially a mahogany topped D25.


oh thx! will checkout this thread
 

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I know Sandy had one of these "holy grail D25s" at one point.
 

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I know Sandy had one of these "holy grail D25s" at one point.
Woody, your guitar is a solid, flat-backed D-25, not an arched-back, right? Just double-checking. I'm not sure that's what bruno was asking about, but the original D-25s were like that.

Here is an example we were debating a week or so ago, bruno. It's been modified with a stripped finish and headstock decals... And, it's not a lefty...

 

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Are these really all that different from a D15? Built lighter probably. I don't know anything about the bracing patterns but I'd assume similar.
 

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Are these really all that different from a D15? Built lighter probably. I don't know anything about the bracing patterns but I'd assume similar.
Not like there's a zillion D-15s out there, but absolutely, Dave. Probably more of those than these "transitional" D-25s. Anyway, the link that @plaidseason posted to dreadnut's post (RIP) is probably the best example of a comparison between "transitional" and "typical" D-25s
 

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Woody, your guitar is a solid, flat-backed D-25, not an arched-back, right? Just double-checking. I'm not sure that's what bruno was asking about, but the original D-25s were like that.

Here is an example we were debating a week or so ago, bruno. It's been modified with a stripped finish and headstock decals... And, it's not a lefty...

I took his question to be about the rare arched all hog D25. right?
Those were transition D25s from the all hog flatback (mine) towards the spruce topped arches that were so prevalent throughout the 70s and 80s. What most people think of when someone says, I have a D25 Guild.

the one I have and Mav and Nuk and a few others are the flats, all hog. Those are somewhat rare as they were only made from 68-mid 72. However, what Bruno is asking about is this transition all hog arched, what I affectionately refer to as the holy grail D25. those were made from like end of 72-early 74. They are super rare. I have always wanted one and should have bought Sandy's but I had no funds at the time lol.

the irony of me and the D25 Chaz is, I have this wax poetic romantic notion that an all hog arched D25 would be the bees knees. Mav told me long ago that I already own the holy grail D25. the arched is not as good as the original flat. but I won't know for sure till I play and arched all hog, as it's all subjective, this tone thing.

Hopefully Al will weigh in, as he really is the resident expert on the Guild D25 derivatives. He and Ralf. Well, Hans of course etc...
 

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... the irony of me and the D25 Chaz is, I have this wax poetic romantic notion that an all hog arched D25 would be the bees knees. Mav told me long ago that I already own the holy grail D25. the arched is not as good as the original flat.
Well, of course "good" is subjective, Woody... From a collector's point of view, it might be that the transitional model is harder to find, but as a guitar to play, I suspect the original formula (like yours, that is) is more bees' knees... :D
 

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I don't have an arched-back mahogany top version, but I do have a flat back all mahogany (1970) and a arched-back spruce toped version (1974). They are both awesome, but different. Mainly I am the strummer in my band. For that use, I love the 1970 as it is lightweight and extremely resonant and lively. But that gives the K&K Pure mini I had installed a sort of sonic overload. The 1974 is about 12 oz heavier, and similarly loud, but individual notes are purer and the sound is more focused. I don't even need a preamp or any eq for the K&K in this one. For single note runs, the difference is not as great as there are fewer sonic waves bouncing around at the same time when you play that way.

I have also recently picked up a '73 D-35. It's weight is in between and has a flat back with spruce top. It seems to be right in between the D-25s in tone too. It is in the shop right now getting a K&K installed, so I'll know how it handles amplification soon. But I can say this, while the D-25 was the affordable Guild in the 1970s, they certainly don't lack in tone.

And finally, all that added 1970s structure is a double edged sword. I really like the light weight 1970 D-25, but my luthier says that previous neck reset(s) have reduced the heel of the neck enough that he does not recommend further work there. So it is actually possible for one of these to flex enough that you reach the end of the line. Thankfully, mine has great action and sounds great even with a bridge that has been waaay shaved down. Neither my 1974 D-25 nor the 1973 D-35 are even close to that point, so beefing up the structure has its benefits.
 

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It seems to me that the only way you can be truly happy is to have an all hog flat back, an all hog arched back, and a mahogany/spruce arched back. I'd shoot for years between 68 and 74. It is a tragedy to shave one of these likely Brazilian bridges.
 
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