tube amplifier "blues classic" perfect condition! 1x15inch -

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Kap'n said:
They bought Crest too, among other things.

Toothpaste?

Sorry, since my bass amp is a solid state Peavey from the late '70's I am not up on what the alternatives to mainstream amps has been for 30 years, nor am I aware of the esteem, or lack thereof, of new Peaveys in the current market.
 

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Howdy Gents,

with regard to Trace Eliott and their UK-built Gibson GA30 RV Super Goldtone amp.... I have one and it is my go-to amp for the past year and I am getting just incredible, creamy tone from my ES-335 with that amp....however, it took a dump on me last night and after opening her up this a.m. to figure out the problem and solution, I was horrified by what I saw.... even though it runs a signal chain of 11 tubes (power section is 4x EL84) the rest of it is "PCB-Hell" of the worst sort. Darn, but I absolutely HATE modern amplifiers (except the $$$$ boutique hand-wired, and who can afford those?).
 

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The sockets are mounted to the board?

Heaven help us all when replacement boards are out of stock. OTOH, maybe you could get an amptech to drop in a classic tube circuit.
 

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thank the blues god, for he watches over me and I have quite a few other amplifiers (without the dreaded PCBs), tonight I'll be running a boutique amp built by a canadian amp builder (to our combined design efforts) that IS a hand-wired point-to-point monster. we modeled one channel on the Dumble Overdrive and the clean channel on a Vox AC30. I've had it since January but I've never played it out in public (I like to really figure out the tonal possibilities of a rig before taking it out to a show). I'm going to pair it with a cab I built with an EV 15" (I have a 4x12" cab that is awaiting delivery of the speakers I ordered from Weber that will be its ultimate mate). So, wish me luck.... I need to get off the internet and play the heck out of this rig today because 9:00 pm is SHOWTIME

ce
 

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Just remember that being seen drinking Snapple on stage blows your street cred, that's why I always put my Pineapple-Passion Fruit Power in a M-D 20/20 bottle.

Kick some butt and take some names!
 

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I don't know if I could complain about the 1x15 sylies. I've got an old Harmony Model 420 that has the tube array of a Bassman and a 15" Jensen and it does whatever I say. Though I will concede that it takes a little pushin' to get solid breakup, but when it goes, it goes. It is quite a bit louder than my Princeton or the Musicmaster Bass Amp, but the neighbors have never whined about that one. In fact the only time I got a complaint was when my drunken neighbor walked in while Dreamlander was testing out his new Blues Deluxe against my Princeton. 40 watts through 1x12 is a bit excessive.
 

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well, that didn't go too badly at all (aside from a bit of initial awkwardness and shouts of "...turn that d_____ thing down, ce!"). the practice this afternoon helped me dial in pretty rapidly, and after about three songs I didn't touch any pot knobs but the ones on my 335 for the rest of my show. all in all, most of the guys commented quite favorably on the new rig ...the only comments that were in any sense negative were that I was using "too much club" (like swatting flies with a cannon, that sucka IS LOUD.....I stayed in the Overdrive channel and used the footswitch to control the OD "in" for solo-improv work and "out" for rhythm parts....the one downer is that I had to use an outboard reverb and I really missed that incredibly lush 'verb on both channels of the GA30 RV Super Goldtone, but I lacked NOT for excellent tone and drive when I lit those '60s British Westinghouse NOS 6L6's. I set the master volume on ~8.5 (of 10) and couldn't crack the gain pot past 2 without shaking the building and scaring the serious drinkers....but, ya know at 60, I got over the need to dime my amp many moons ago.

this afternoon I was able to put a little analysis and measurement time into the Goldtone and found some very squirrelly things. The B+ is fine past the rectifier, it feeds the output xfmr and Grid 2 with the correct dc voltages, the heaters are all nominal, but after that everything goes nuts. the filter section outputs 6 lesser source voltages (H1 thru H2) that feed the preamp tubes ECC83s (5) and ECC81s (2) plates. the R-C stages in the filter section drops the B+ (is supposed to drop the B+) from 341 vdc on the PI (V7) to 323 vdc on the ECC81 running the reverb transformer, and the same on (V6) for the reverb return (V5), to 311 vdc for V4 (FX Loop, the other ECC81), to the 3 ECC83s in the two preamps (V3, V2 and V1) which has the voltage successively dropping 302 vdc, 288 vdc and 275 vdc....at least that is what is supposed to happen. however, every voltage coming out of the filter section H1-H6 is but a few volts lower than the grid 2 voltage at 362 vdc.

there are two seemingly screwed up resisitors after the G2 feeder that decouple the 0volt bus from the B+.

Uh, "Default," in answer to your question about the tube sockets: they attach physically to the body of the chassis and have copper tabs that span the ~3/4" to the PCB, through which these tabs insert and then are soldered into place. they are not like the PCBs of Musicman amps at all, I got pretty good at making repairs and mods to Musicman PCBs ...these Trace Elliot boards are just scary! they are of obviously fine materials and the workmanship (artificial intelligence obviously assembled these PCBs and humans provided the oversight, inspection/quality control) is excellent....I'm positive I could work on the boards without those infernal tube sockets.... the traces are all quite thick, they don't appear at all fragile.....it's just, I HATE WORKING ON PCBs and SOLIDSTATE.....grrrrrrr. as much as I love the tone of this amp I think my only sane course of action is to get it working again and unload the puppy on someone with a more, uh..... modern outlook on technological "progress" (how was that for diplomatic phrasing?)

ce
 

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I know this is old but I have an old modded Delta Blues with the 15 in speaker

They come with crappy Sovtek Tubes, I know the speaker could use some improvements, but its not what I would call bland or a let down.

I replaced all the tubes with Groovies and I must say that you wont even care what speaker is in it when you hear the sounds it produces, we compared it with my friends Fender Hot Rod Deluxe and my other friends 1960's Gretsch amp all tubes

basically the my peavey tied with the Gretsch ( old electronics are really overrated, not really quite the same as acoustics in terms of aging, lets be honest old electrical components do not "age" and sound better, its the mental notion of "i'm playing vintage stuff")

but they both blew away the fender, take the fender and give it a set of balls, and you get the modded PDB or the Gretsch

next is the speaker with something sexy, not sure though, I'm thinking of moving down to a 12 inch
 

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krauser2 said:
I know this is old but I have an old modded Delta Blues with the 15 in speaker

They come with crappy Sovtek Tubes, I know the speaker could use some improvements, but its not what I would call bland or a let down.

I replaced all the tubes with Groovies and I must say that you wont even care what speaker is in it when you hear the sounds it produces, we compared it with my friends Fender Hot Rod Deluxe and my other friends 1960's Gretsch amp all tubes

basically the my peavey tied with the Gretsch ( old electronics are really overrated, not really quite the same as acoustics in terms of aging, lets be honest old electrical components do not "age" and sound better, its the mental notion of "i'm playing vintage stuff")

but they both blew away the fender, take the fender and give it a set of balls, and you get the modded PDB or the Gretsch

next is the speaker with something sexy, not sure though, I'm thinking of moving down to a 12 inch

I demo'd a 1x15 Peavey DB a few years ago (at home for several days). Was looking specifically for a 1x15 after playing 1x12's & 2x12's for years. I'd heard good things about it & honestly wanted to love it, but it was lacking life/character compared to my Fender HR Deville. Though the Peavey was stock, & I had upgraded tubes & speakers in the HR, & biased it hotter than factory settings. Still, the DB didn't have enough to make me want to buy it & tinker.

One man's junk eh? That's why the "which amp" question is soooo subjective & will never be resolved beyond the individual's needs.
 

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Hi krauser2 and welcome!
krauser2 said:
( old electronics are really overrated, not really quite the same as acoustics in terms of aging, lets be honest old electrical components do not "age" and sound better, its the mental notion of "i'm playing vintage stuff")
As long as we're being honest here, most of the newer commerical quality tube-driven gear is cheap, sterile, lifeless, and unreliable. When the term 'better' is tone-based, power tubes, speakers, and output transformers all sound 'better' as they age. If you ever wind up owing a vintage Fender, Supro, or Vox, you might have a better idea of what that "...mental notion..." is all about. Til then ...

dklspace said:
One man's junk eh? That's why the "which amp" question is soooo subjective & will never be resolved beyond the individual's needs.
+1.

CJ
 
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