Vent: "Used" is not a Condition!

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A forced ranked scale is not going to solve any problems unless the scale is objective.

LTG is full of educated, picky and lazy buyers. Their ideal seller has anticipated the questions and concerns and the desired information is easy for the potential buyer to obtain from the ad. Their ideal seller is also educated and accurate and intuitively agrees with the buyer about the implication of certain terms.

The world is full of lazy sellers who place a value on their own time and would rather have the time than the cash from selling the guitar. Educated, picky and lazy buyers can play by the seller's rules or buy elsewhere.

The world is also full of sellers who what to be seen as honest and accurate. That is harder than it seems. If you don't know about neck resets and don't know how certain measurements are made and think a yardstick is an acceptable measuring tool some buyers are going to see that as a sign of dishonesty and not ignorance. In that sense "used condition" is an honest but less detailed synonym for "not in new condition".

Let's not even go down the rabbit hole of a hypothetical instrument that has the cosmetic condition of an instrument that just left the factory - no blemishes, no finger prints and no irregularities regardless of lighting or viewing angle but needs a neck reset according to the straightedge test. Put that on your simple ranked scale without assigning a subjective importance to cosmetics relative to function. :)

Etc.

I accept that people can and do "vent" on LTG but at this point I probably would never try and sell an instrument on LTG (or CL or Reverb or eBay). I don't need the aggravation of educated buyers who know more than I do. I am blessed because at this moment selling any instruments is not going to improve my quality of life so I can afford to wait for a sale or share the proceeds with someone who is willing to do the work, i,e. sell outright to a dealer or on commission.
 

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Pre-owned is used by car companies because “used car” developed such a bad reputation.

A “pre-owned” car is probably being sold by a dealer where they’ve supposedly done the proper checks and such to make it as good as it can be, hopefully with reports and histories provided.

A “used” car is being sold from a used car lot by a sleazy used car dealer down on the corner where the cheap motels are.

That is the crux of what marketing is all about.

Condition=used, however, is nothing but a cop out where the seller avoids doing any work at all and hopes you won’t care about any flaws because, you know, it’s used.
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Here's the other thing that drives me crazy. Multiple listings for the exact same guitar - I've seen up to 12 listing same guitar, same pics, prices all over the place...... High price/ low to no shipping costs, Low price with high shipping cost and everything in between. Rediculous
Ebay sellers are the worst for this practice.
 

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Here's the other thing that drives me crazy. Multiple listings for the exact same guitar - I've seen up to 12 listing same guitar, same pics, prices all over the place...... High price/ low to no shipping costs, Low price with high shipping cost and everything in between. Rediculous
Ebay sellers are the worst for this practice.

Many of the ones we have tracked down have been fraudulent in that not everyone who lists the guitar actually has it in hand. Some of them will try and get it from you if you buy but some just want your money. Different subject to vent about? :)
 

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I don't need the aggravation of educated buyers who know more than I ….. I can afford to wait for a sale or share the proceeds with someone who is willing to do the work, i,e. sell outright to a dealer or on commission.
These statements don’t jibe with the frono I know.
The frono I know “adopts” out his beloved instruments, not just “sells” them. 😀 For adoption, you need someone who cares, which is only an educated buyer. Not just selling it to 13 year old Jimmy Waxman’s brother down the street, who will be leaving it laying around in his dad’s non-climate controlled garage for the occasional jam with his buds.
I can’t picture you taking your vintage Starfire down to guitar center and selling it to them, either.
Also, that bit about “I can afford to wait” is the understatement of the year, Mr. IhaveaJS-2that mywritingsonLTGindicateIdon’tlikesomuchbuthavekeptitsince1971.🤣😂
I say all the above in jest, but don’t you dare put that JS2 on consignment somewhere without letting me take a look at it first.😀👍
 
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I would like to see just once, "this guitar is a real pos and I hate it"
I bought a leather jacket on ebay back in the day when if you bought it, it was yours. It was described in "perfect" condition. Except when I opened the box it reeked of cigarette smoke. Otherwise it was in perfect condition.

So I couldn't even put it in the garage or storage shed without it stinking up the place. I decided to just resell it. I advertised it, "reeks of smoke. If you want to make a statement in bars and restaurants that do not allow smoking, this is the jacket for you. Nothing says I'm a smoker and proud of it like this jacket." I sold that jacket for twice what I paid for it. You just gotta know the market.
 

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...so I can afford to wait for a sale or share the proceeds with someone who is willing to do the work, i,e. sell outright to a dealer or on commission.

I've always done this. If I can add one more positive of this, it's that you are supporting a local music store who gets the consignment fee. I'm lucky to still have one in business close by.

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It seems a little disingenuous to call a lot of the guitars hanging on the wall at the music store as new. Even if they are not pre-owned, a lot of them are not new, they've been played and some played a lot. I realize that people want to test drive them before they buy, but a lot of people are driving them around with no intention of buying them. Both of my guitars bought new were not in new condition.
 

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It seems a little disingenuous to call a lot of the guitars hanging on the wall at the music store as new. Even if they are not pre-owned, a lot of them are not new, they've been played and some played a lot. I realize that people want to test drive them before they buy, but a lot of people are driving them around with no intention of buying them. Both of my guitars bought new were not in new condition.

"new" often refers to an economic reality and not a condition (thus adding to GAD's point even if I don't want to). "new" just means "never sold at retail before". How may miles must there be on a "never sold previously" automobile before the consumer refuses to accept the vehicle as "new"?
 

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How may miles must there be on a "never sold previously" automobile before the consumer refuses to accept the vehicle as "new"?
Good question, I wonder if there is. When I bought my GS Mini I did it online from a store in Alabama. It was what it was. My Guild I bought from a local dealer. I test drove it myself. Anyway, the store manager knocked off a hundred dollars for shopwear. He said that for them at least, it was pretty much routine. I thought that was a stand up gesture on their part.
 

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I checked it out and the industry standard is that a new car at a dealership is considered used if when it exceeds 200 miles.
 

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I checked it out and the industry standard is that a new car at a dealership is considered used if when it exceeds 200 miles.
They will still sell it as new with a new car warranty. Same with guitars. Test driven or test played, from a dealer perspective it is still new, even if the dealer has used it for personal use without selling it for a short period of time
 
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