Whats' the Name of Pickup used in 412/512 12 stringers

[Shovelhead]

I believe the name starts with a 'D'??? The reason I ask is because the 2010 F412 I just bought and am waiting for, has an LR Baggs Anthem in it. The vendor did not know the name of the factory unit but he did know the owner had had it replaced with the LR Baggs unit. Bonus as far as I'm concerned. I have 3 of these Anthems installed in Marty and Gibs.
To my ears, this Anthem is the hands down finest sounding acoustic amplification system available at this moment.

 

[GGJaguar]

I believe the name starts with a 'D'???

D-TAR Wavelength Multi-Source

 

[GGJaguar]

The D-TAR is very similar to the Athem. The both have an internal microphone in addition to the under-saddle transducer.

 

[Bill Ashton]

The "early" Guild installed DTAR's were under-saddle only, and came with what came to be the "dreaded" Lock'N'Load battery system. I believe it was around 2013 when the DTAR Dual-Source started to be used, as one came in my Fall of 2013 built D-55, and was a pretty new interation then..@Chazmo ??

 

[chazmo]

The "early" Guild installed DTARS were undersaddle only, and came with what came to be the "dreaded" Lock'N'Load battery system. I believe it was around 2013 when the DTAR Dual-Source started to be used, as it came in my Fall of 2013 D-55, and was a pretty new interation then..@Chazmo ??

I think the transition to the multi-source from the Wavelength-only pickup was before 2013, Bill, but I am not sure. Load 'n lock was lambasted for quite a while at our management meeting at our first LMG (fall 2010) and LnL was jettisoned around that time by Guild. They certainly heard us on the matter, and frankly they agreed.

I remember hearing the multi-source system either in 2012 or 2013 at Ski Sundown and it knocked my socks off. Actually, I'm not sure if I was wearing socks, but you know what I mean.

 

[Bill Ashton]

I want to say that we first saw the Dual-Source at our last Lets Meet Guild, when the stage was outside, with all the bees , but
I could be wrong. I got my replacement D-55 during Thanksgiving week of 2013, I asked that a DTAR be installed and I would pay extra for it, and it came with the Dual Source.

 

[chazmo]

I want to say that we first saw the Dual-Source at our last Lets Meet Guild, when the stage was outside, with all the bees , but
I could be wrong. I got my replacement D-55 during Thanksgiving week of 2013, I asked that a DTAR be installed and I would pay extra for it, and it came with the Dual Source.

Yup, as usual your memory is right on, Bill. I think that's right. I just don't know when NH actually made the cutover.

Yes, fortunately I was spared the duty of helping Doyle rid the stage of the bees. I was too busy setting up guitars for the factory sale.

 

[Bill Ashton]

And...Doyle's new signature guitar, which a bunch of us got to play, had a different p/u system than the DTAR, with individual saddles...was it a Baggs?

 

[chazmo]

And...Doyle's new signature guitar, which a bunch of us got to play, had a different p/u system than the DTAR, with individual saddles...was it a Baggs?

I know we've discussed that one before, Bill, and you're 100% right again (as usual). I know the 6 and the 12 had different systems. I'll see if I can dig up the spec sheets...

Damn, it looks like they removed the search on the GuildGuitars.com web site. Sigh. I know we talked about it here so I'll dig with our (improved) site search...

 

[chazmo]

DD-6 has the Barbera transducer system where the transducers are built into the saddle.

The 12 had something different, but I can't find the details.

 

[SFIV1967]

The 12 had something different, but I can't find the details.

The specs on the Guild website also show "Barbera":
"Custom LR Baggs® Acoustic Preamp with Special Doyle Dykes Signature Series Solist Acoustic Guitar Pickup from Barbera Transducer System"

Which is also cleary visible in pictures:



Ralf

 

[chazmo]

@SFIV1967 Hey, Ralf, I was actually looking for that on the guildguitars web site, but how did you find it?! I can't see a search capability on the site any more. Did I just miss it?

Oh, and anyway, thanks for the answer. Maybe it was the preamp electonics that was different? Did the 6-string version also use a custom LR Baggs system?

 

[SFIV1967]

@SFIV1967 Hey, Ralf, I was actually looking for that on the guildguitars web site, but how did you find it?! I can't see a search capability on the site any more. Did I just miss it?

It works for me!



Ralf

 

[chazmo]

OK, so it looks like the 6-string did not have the Barbera transducer. The specs for the 6-string are: L.R. Baggs Stagepro LB6 System

Sorry for the confusion @Bill Ashton

 

[chazmo]

It works for me!



Ralf

I must be losing it or having some kind of senior moment day, Ralf. Can you tell me what the URL is that you're using to find this? I get this:

And when I pull down the three horizontal bar button on the right...

No search in sight...

 

[West R Lee]

I have an Anthem. I like it, but prior to installing this I'd never been a fan of under saddle pickups. My opinion hasn't changed with the Anthem. The Anthem gives you the ability to blend both the under saddle and the internal mic. I find myself going with far more internal mic. I just think the internal mic gives a far better reproduction of the acoustic sound. And I still think a good free standing mic gives the best sound reproduction. Obviously if you're moving around while playing, an external mic may not be the best option.

West

 

[Shovelhead]

I have an Anthem. I like it, but prior to installing this I'd never been a fan of under saddle pickups. My opinion hasn't changed with the Anthem. The Anthem gives you the ability to blend both the under saddle and the internal mic. I find myself going with far more internal mic. I just think the internal mic gives a far better reproduction of the acoustic sound. And I still think a good free standing mic gives the best sound reproduction. Obviously if you're moving around while playing, an external mic may not be the best option.

West

Hey West ... 100% to the mic thing. A few years ago, I got a pair of Neuman KM184zz because I had created my first 'solo' acoustic show. Playing my resonators through these mics was like maybe being in heaven. My problem is; I'm a foot stompin' jackass and the couple stages I used these on, didn't do me good. That forced me to go back to standing again ... just not with the resonators ( they both have Schatten Design transducers).
Well ... being a life-long stickler for premium quality sound, I waffled around, listening to the best of the best transducers offerings. After a long stretch, I settled on one LR Baggs for my new Martin D-35. It sat on a shelf in my studio room for maybe a year just so I could torment myself about drilling a hole to install the preamp. Finally, a few months ago, I went for it and did a nothing short of perfect install resulting in an even more perfect sound!
This made me immediately order another one to stuff into my my Gibson J-45 (Banner re-issue with Adi top). Again, no regrets!!
Finally, I bought a 3rd one for my Guild D-35 1974. Now ... somehow, I don't feel right about drilling and installing stuff into a beautiful sounding 50 year old guitar. I know it is just a cheapy or some call it a'student guitar' - I don't care. This baby has the attack and presence of a Marty D-28 all day long and me firmly tinks it will remain a 'sit-down' guitar with the Neuman brother twins!

 

[Br1ck]

I have an Anthem. I like it, but prior to installing this I'd never been a fan of under saddle pickups. My opinion hasn't changed with the Anthem. The Anthem gives you the ability to blend both the under saddle and the internal mic. I find myself going with far more internal mic. I just think the internal mic gives a far better reproduction of the acoustic sound. And I still think a good free standing mic gives the best sound reproduction. Obviously if you're moving around while playing, an external mic may not be the best option.

West

The only redeeming quality of an undersadle pickup, it's a big one, is feedback rejection. So if you have a problem and can roll off the mic, it's a very good thing. You can at least quack through your set. The Anthem has to be the second most successful pickup ever, after the K&K, which I hate.

 

[West R Lee]

Hey West ... 100% to the mic thing. A few years ago, I got a pair of Neuman KM184zz because I had created my first 'solo' acoustic show. Playing my resonators through these mics was like maybe being in heaven. My problem is; I'm a foot stompin' jackass and the couple stages I used these on, didn't do me good. That forced me to go back to standing again ... just not with the resonators ( they both have Schatten Design transducers).
Well ... being a life-long stickler for premium quality sound, I waffled around, listening to the best of the best transducers offerings. After a long stretch, I settled on one LR Baggs for my new Martin D-35. It sat on a shelf in my studio room for maybe a year just so I could torment myself about drilling a hole to install the preamp. Finally, a few months ago, I went for it and did a nothing short of perfect install resulting in an even more perfect sound!
This made me immediately order another one to stuff into my my Gibson J-45 (Banner re-issue with Adi top). Again, no regrets!!
Finally, I bought a 3rd one for my Guild D-35 1974. Now ... somehow, I don't feel right about drilling and installing stuff into a beautiful sounding 50 year old guitar. I know it is just a cheapy or some call it a'student guitar' - I don't care. This baby has the attack and presence of a Marty D-28 all day long and me firmly tinks it will remain a 'sit-down' guitar with the Neuman brother twins!

This is why I had Collings drill my 1/2" hole at the endpin right before they sent my last guitar to me. I didn't mind punching the very small under saddle hole, but I had nightmares imagining myself peeling finish off and grabbing chunks of wood at the endpin to accommodate the transducer. I installed the Anthem upon arrival of my D1A.

West

 

[chazmo]

This is why I had Collings drill my 1/2" hole at the endpin right before they sent my last guitar to me. I didn't mind punching the very small under saddle hole, but I had nightmares imagining myself peeling finish off and grabbing chunks of wood at the endpin to accommodate the transducer. I installed the Anthem upon arrival of my D1A.

West

Why didn't Collings install it for you, Jim? Just curious!