Guild Custom 7:The Guitar never existed. Now there are 3 !

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The guitar top is strengthened and solidified with a 5" wide 3/4" thick piece of wood...looks like mahogany.
Runs from the tailpiece to the neck join.
I didn't pull the bridge off but the mounting does appear to penetrate the top in the standard manner for this type of adjustable bridge.

The guitar back is strengthened and solidified with a 5" wide 1/2" thick piece of wood...looks like mahogany.

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Re: Guild Custom 7: Now there are 4!

How about that one? That is a 1967 Artist Award with Serial Number on the head is DA 237, where as on the Hoboken label it is DB 237.
The label inside shows: "Starfire VII BL SPEC".
The headstock inlay shgows: "Artist Award Model" and it has a "MARK VII" TRC.
It says there were 6 of these made for the 1967 NAMM show, 3 in sunburst, and 3 in blonde.

It seems to be on sale in Russia for 240,000 Rubels. The contact telephone number is: +7 (495) 928-59-71

http://vgrbaza.ru/product68.html

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SFIV1967 said:
How about that one? That is a 1967 Artist Award with Serial Number on the head is DA 237, where as on the Hoboken label it is DB 237.
It says there were 6 of these made for the 1967 NAMM show, 3 in sunburst, and 3 in blonde.

It seems to be on sale in Russia for 200,000 Rubels. The contact telephone number is: +7 (495) 928-59-71

That's the guitar that I mentioned earlier in the thread and that I was able to buy in 2004. It is indeed the prototype for the Custom 7 / Starfire VII that was sold again in 2008.
So it's for sale on a Russian site, which of course doesn't mean that the guitar is in Russia right now.

The information given about the number of instruments and the date that they were made is not correct though, but maybe I should keep my mouth shut, since the information about the model in my book was not correct either!

Sincerely,

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SFIV1967 said:
But here is yet another "Custom "7"" !

It reads: "One of two prototypes built in 1969 by Carlo Greco and no other examples were ever produced"... Well, that seems to be not correct...

Yes, I know that one too. As far as I know it's in France and the instrument was made in 1972.

Sincerely,

Hans Moust
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Re: Guild Custom 7:The Guitar never existed. Now there are 5 !!!

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Now there are .....count em.... 5!

But now there could be as many as.....10 !!
 

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SFIV1967 said:
But here is yet another "Custom "7"" !

It reads: "One of two prototypes built in 1969 by Carlo Greco and no other examples were ever produced"... Well, that seems to be not correct...

This one shows a serial number of something like 8323 on the head, hard to read, maybe something B 323 ?

http://www.guitarmotel.com/guild/245-gu ... 29daccecbe

SFIV
Well done and thanks for all the info!
We are looking at even more sources now also.
So please keep an eye out.
The unfolding history and dubious documentation is quite intriguing! :)
Thanks so much!
Jay
 

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Re: Guild Custom 7:The Guitar never existed. Now there are 5 !!!

funkcity said:

Now THAT's a pic I wish I had in my sig! Show up those S100 guys. :)
 

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So...how do the Custom 7's sound?

The are interesting and high quality guitars. The addition of the planks on the top and bottom should deaden the tone quite a bit acoustically. Do they sound anything like a X170?

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So...how do the Custom 7's sound?
The are interesting and high quality guitars. The addition of the planks on the top and bottom should deaden the tone quite a bit acoustically. Do they sound anything like a X170? M

There are at least 4 different bridges here.
Larry believes his was modified by the previous owner. If that is true then basically 5 different bridges.
There are at least 2 different styles of humbucking pickups.

There were at least 3 different nuts used:

My 3 piece: bone, ebony, and bone
The original nut on my guitar (far left in the pic) was not cut correctly and did not line up the strings properly.
So the guitar tech thought a composite 3 piece would look better on this guitar.

3 of the others: bone, nylon or plastic

one had a brass nut

Most here had a 5 piece neck
But at least 1 had a 3 piece.

The guitar is more solid with the top and back blocks
There is less acoustic feedback with the blocks.
There is less SPL output with the blocks.
It is very possible that the thinner Starfire would give the same acoustic output?

This is a narrow long Artist Award neck
It doesn't play like my old Epiphone Casino or my friend's solid block Gibson 335.

<<< How does it sound?>>>
It's something in between.
I have recorded a bit using the neck pickup jazz finger style and Wes Montgomery style and it works, feels, and sounds good.
I never used it as a main ax. Vibrato and bending are a bit more challenging with the narrow neck.
I (Jay) use round wound (unwound g string), Larry uses flat wounds.
Truth-to-tell, the bridge rattles a bit and if I were playing it a lot I'd also modify it.

<<<<< Do they sound anything like a X170? >>>>>>>>>
I don't know, I've never played an X170
 

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funkcity said:
matsickma said:
So...how do the Custom 7's sound?
The are interesting and high quality guitars. The addition of the planks on the top and bottom should deaden the tone quite a bit acoustically. Do they sound anything like a X170? M

There are at least 4 different bridges here.
Larry believes his was modified by the previous owner. If that is true then basically 5 different bridges.
There are at least 2 different styles of humbucking pickups.

There were at least 3 different nuts used:

My 3 piece: bone, ebony, and bone
The original nut on my guitar (far left in the pic) was not cut correctly and did not line up the strings properly.
So the guitar tech thought a composite 3 piece would look better on this guitar.

3 of the others: bone, nylon or plastic

one had a brass nut

Most here had a 5 piece neck
But at least 1 had a 3 piece.

The guitar is more solid with the top and back blocks
There is less acoustic feedback with the blocks.
There is less SPL output with the blocks.
It is very possible that the thinner Starfire would give the same acoustic output?

This is a narrow long Artist Award neck
It doesn't play like my old Epiphone Casino or my friend's solid block Gibson 335.

<<< How does it sound?>>>
It's something in between.
I have recorded a bit using the neck pickup jazz finger style and Wes Montgomery style and it works, feels, and sounds good.
I never used it as a main ax. Vibrato and bending are a bit more challenging with the narrow neck.
I (Jay) use round wound (unwound g string), Larry uses flat wounds.
Truth-to-tell, the bridge rattles a bit and if I were playing it a lot I'd also modify it.

<<<<< Do they sound anything like a X170? >>>>>>>>>
I don't know, I've never played an X170

:D thanks jay, great input. :D
 

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hansmoust said:
SFIV1967 said:
But here is yet another "Custom "7"" !

It reads: "One of two prototypes built in 1969 by Carlo Greco and no other examples were ever produced"... Well, that seems to be not correct...

Yes, I know that one too. As far as I know it's in France and the instrument was made in 1972.

Sincerely,

Hans Moust
http://www.guitarsgalore.nl

I think that's the one you're speaking of Hans....

 

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JB said:
hansmoust said:
SFIV1967 said:
But here is yet another "Custom "7"" !

It reads: "One of two prototypes built in 1969 by Carlo Greco and no other examples were ever produced"... Well, that seems to be not correct...

Yes, I know that one too. As far as I know it's in France and the instrument was made in 1972.

Sincerely,

Hans Moust
http://www.guitarsgalore.nl

I think that's the one you're speaking of Hans....


It's from: alainlafrance on Webshots
Alain La France?
It looks identical to # 5 on the 5 unit picture I posted
Serial numbers would be good to know
 

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Re: Guild Custom 7:The Guitar never existed. Now there are 6 !!!

6 was the magic number Hans had!

The 2 on the left are the same vintage (1972) and the 2 on the right seem to be of the same vintage 1969?

I need to closer scrutinize the markings on the blond finishes of the 2 on the right.

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The Guitar Motel shot and Alain's shot have the same markings by the f hole volume knob but there is a mark on the body that only occurs on the
Guitar Motel pic......hmmmm..... could be dirt or a new mark or they could be different guitars?
Serial numbers would help here :)
 

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Re: Guild Custom 7:The Guitar never existed. Now there are 6 !!!

funkcity said:
6 was the magic number Hans had!

The 2 on the left are the same vintage (1972) and the 2 on the right seem to be of the same vintage 1969?

I need to closer scrutinize the markings on the blond finishes of the 2 on the right.

6GuildCustom7s.jpg

As you could have concluded from my previous postings, the two guitars on the right are the same guitar and (like I said) the guitar is from 1972.

Sincerely,

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Thanks Hans, As you said. That makes sense.

I have some questions if you'd be so kind?

The 1 (2) on the right has the bridge without the wood base, It's mounted directly to the top.
If that is a 1972 model, where does it fall in with the serial number? Was is consecutive with the left 2?

Are there only 6 of these?

Where is the "REAL" number 6?

There seems to be 2 runs of these 67/68/69 and 1972.
Do you agree with this?

I'll have to cross out number 6 Grrrr!!! :)
 

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Re: Guild Custom 7:The Guitar never existed. Now there are 5 !!!

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Lets put the serial numbers to funkcity's great picture, starting left to right:

66161
: 1972 Custom 7 (Amber, not sure if Amber is the exact color name), in USA

66160: 1972 Custom 7 (Blond), in USA

S/N unknown to me: Custom 7 (Amber) (due to the mini humbuckers older than the 3 other 1972 models), in the Netherlands

DA237/DB237 (Head/Label different): Artist Award SF VII (Blond) (The real prototype), label shows: "Starfire VII BL SPEC", currently in Moscow/Russia for sale. DB237 would have been be a Starfire VI serial number from 1966 and DA237 a X500 serial number from 1969. So we could assume that prototype is from after 1969? http://vgrbaza.ru/#/jazz/43

66323: 1972 Custom 7 (Blond), collector in Paris/France (guitar was restored by French luthier Michel Scamps in Chavenay) http://www.guitarmotel.com/index.php/the-collection/item/guild-starfire-vii


Hans said, 66160 and 66161 were number 5 and 6 he knew of. Now we also have a younger 66323, that would be number 7.

We got number 1 (the prototype), Hans' is probably #2 in order of the serial numbers. We have #5, #6 and #7.
So we miss number #3 and #4 in the picture so far! One of those that Hans knows should be in Amber color. But who knows how many more exist/appear!

Ralf
 
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