Are Guild "metal" guitars any good?

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I've been seeing a lot of "S" style Guilds lately, and most of them are fairly inexpensive. I don't own any other "shredder" guitars, but have been thinking of getting one just for the heck of it. Are these guitars any good? I frequently see these for $500 or less, so for an American-made guitar, they might be a good deal? Or maybe they just stink? A lot of them have Kahler trems -again, any good? Or just a knock-off FR?
 

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I've been seeing a lot of "S" style Guilds lately, and most of them are fairly inexpensive. I don't own any other "shredder" guitars, but have been thinking of getting one just for the heck of it. Are these guitars any good? I frequently see these for $500 or less, so for an American-made guitar, they might be a good deal? Or maybe they just stink? A lot of them have Kahler trems -again, any good? Or just a knock-off FR?
The various Guild superstrat models are some of the best hidden secrets for US built guitars. I can't speak about the Kahler since I'm not a trem guy, but the build quality is up to Guild's typical standard (very good). They indeed tend to be undervalued bargains.
 

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Pointy Guilds didn't really catch on with the 80's shredders for a few reasons.
  • Vibratos were almost all either Mueller or Kahler. While I find the Kahler the superior locknut model, lots of metal folks preferred the Floyd Rose. Maybe because that's what Eddie used, maybe not, but in any case, that's what they wanted.
  • While a lot of them had the flat fingerboard preferred by the tapping crowd, most of the tappers preferred wider necks than Guild offered.
  • While the true 'metal' guys preferred the EMGs that Guild used for active pickups, those who wanted passive pickups usually wanted Seymour Duncans (under exclusive OEM contract with Kramer) or DiMarzios (which Guild abandoned in the early 80's)
 

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What is an "s style"? There are many S- Guilds that are not at all related to others (S25 vs S60 for example). I can't remember seeing any of them for $500 for a very long time.
 

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And for what it's worth I've owned almost all of them. When it comes to '80s music my Jacksons get all the love.
 

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What is an "s style"?
That’s always used to refer to a Stratocaster shaped body, hence the S. That’s why an S100 is not an “s” type.
 

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What is an "s style"? There are many S- Guilds that are not at all related to others (S25 vs S60 for example). I can't remember seeing any of them for $500 for a very long time.
"S" style is typically interpreted as a Strat style by the general population, similar to the 'T' style for Teles.
 

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Ahh yes.

So for all the Strat shaped Guilds I’ve owned they’re all great guitars if you like 1 5/8” nuts and Kahlers.

I have a few Guilds with Floyds and they’re all pretty terrible because Guild presumably didn’t understand how to mount a Floyd and they used cheap licensed Floyds that are just trash next to a proper original. As a result the ‘80s Guilds that I like the most are the ones without trems.
 

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For what it's worth, I'm not sure what it means to "shred" and I was never a Metal-head, having grown up with 1960s Rock and the likes of Jimi Hendrix, Jimmy Page, Eric Clapton, Leslie West, Ritchie Blackmore, etc.

But, as noted by others above, the "S" models I own, such as S-300AD, S-25, S-280, S-284 and the Strat-style Guild Detonator are all quality made guitars.

The only "S" model I didn't think was up to Guild standards is a S-271. It was a "bolt-on" neck model where they apparently put a USA neck onto Korean made bodies and electronics . The no-name pickups were disappointing, I thought. Nothing special. OK for clean rhythm guitar stuff but nothing special for lead and distortion.

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For what it's worth, I'm not sure what it means to "shred" and I was never a Metal-head, having grown up with 1960s Rock and the likes of Jimi Hendrix, Jimmy Page, Eric Clapton, Leslie West, Ritchie Blackmore, etc.

But, as noted by others above, the "S" models I own, such as S-300AD, S-25, S-280, S-284 and the Strat-style Guild Detonator are all quality made guitars.

The only "S" model I didn't think was up to Guild standards is a S-271. It was a "bolt-on" neck model where they apparently put a USA neck onto Korean made bodies and electronics . The no-name pickups were disappointing, I thought. Nothing special. OK for clean rhythm guitar stuff but nothing special for lead and distortion.

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An '80s Guild with a Korean body? Are you sure about that @tonepoet ? I realize the S-2x0 models have a murky history and confusing serial numbers, but I don't think I recall hearing that...
 

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An '80s Guild with a Korean body? Are you sure about that @tonepoet ?
Yes! Not sure if Korean but Asian:

Regarding the S-270 Sprints this is what "workedinwesterly" had to say:
workedinwesterly said:
That certainly is a Sprint. Those were Japanese or Korean bodies that were shipped here and assembled in the repair dept, with westerly necks mostly S-280 necks and such. Most of them were assembled by my friend Flip Scipio. I think I even put a few together along with doing repairs. I remember at least 80 of them. All in all a frikkin' nightmare, because the boss of Final assembly kept on not supplying all the parts that were needed . Needless to say that caused some friction with us in repair.
As response Hans had confirmed that the Sprints were done with the imported bodies. (he did not say which model numbers or if all Sprint models). So we still need to wait for Hans Volume II !!!

Ralf
 

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Well, learned something new today! I'm not surprised that Charlie complained a bit about his boss in final assembly there. :) RIP, Charlie; we miss ya'

Thanks, poet and Ralf!!!!
 

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I can't remember seeing any of them for $500 for a very long time.

This one was on sale for (I think) $550 earlier today. It's back to its usual price now ($750):

https://reverb.com/item/80610684-1984-usa-guild-s-280

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Doesn't matter now anyway, I've already changed my mind!

Thanks all for the responses though! If I encounter another one, at least I now know a little more about them.
 

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Doesn't matter now anyway, I've already changed my mind!
That red one is a unique one in two ways: 1) The transparent red finish would have been a special ask, as I don't recall it being a color option and B) the maple fingerboard would have been an option upcharge.

As for Metal and Shredding, the pickups on that red one are the "California Pickups" option and they are more in the neighborhood of a PAF-type humbucker rather than a high-octane humbucker. I usually get my distortion by just cranking up a tube amp with pre-gain and post-gain controls. I like that level of distortion with California Pickups, myself, but I'm not sure that California Pickups can put you in the Metal Zone. @GAD would have a better take on the shredding aspect.

Here are my two S-280 models. The rosewood fingerboard model is the Standard model with no options. The maple fingerboard model has the maple fingerboard option, but still has the standard stop-bar tailpiece. Both have the California Pickups.

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The liberator i had was fantastic, if you like skinny necks.
I have two Liberators and they are fabulous guitars, though as you said the necks are too small and the three switch thing is just dumb to me.

One of my grail collector guitars is a Liberator II. Don’t think I’ve ever seen one.

Edit - normal Liberators don’t have the three mini toggle control that I dislike.
 
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