New Starfire II incoming

Ajbaum77

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A few years ago I picked up a vintage F20 acoustic from a relative. However since I’m primarily a bassist I’ve been wanting to pick up a Guild bass to add to the family. Just ordered a special run Starfire II from Sweetwater. Mostly cosmetic updates aside from the pickups. Does anyone know anything about these HB-B pickups. They seem to be smaller than the BiSonic and true humbuckers. Has Guild ever used these or something similar in the past. I’ll report more on the bass when it’s in my hands which should towards be the end of the week.

 
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Congratulations! That’s a really nice looking bass. I like the idea of a solid maple top and Ebony fretboard. Looking forward to your review!
 

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Cheers to your new adoption! These humbuckers are (at least in aesthetic design) like the Guild bass humbuckers introduced in 1972 - also reissued in the 90s or maybe they were even still using NOS stock with the 90s/2000s basses, I'm not sure. In any case, I had no idea they were bringing back those bass humbuckers in a new line of these Newark Street reissues, but I also haven't been keeping a close eye on things, so not surprised I missed the news. It's an interesting choice on Guild's part though, since their vintage basses tend to be more coveted and fetch much higher prices if they have original Bisonic single coils, as opposed to the more common humbucker versions. The humbuckers were used in JS, M85, and Starfire basses in the 70s, then just in Starfires for the US 90s reissues and again in the 2010s for the very limited USA "GSR" series.

Since I have no experience with these new reissues, I'll keep my input to their vintage counterparts and I suppose time will tell how similar these new ones are to those originals. I personally think the 70s ones have their place and they're not as muddy sounding as other big chrome humbuckers of the time (like the Gibson sidewinder/mudbucker). The examples I've heard of these pickups being used in combination with a pick had a satisfying thwap and powerful fundamental to them. Fingerstyle they seem to be a bit more woofy and lose a bit of definition, but that can sometimes be the desired tone. If these reissues also have a tendency to be a little heavy on the boomy bass and low mids, I'd encourage playing around with the EQ on your amp and trying some new settings that might not be the usual way you dial in your other basses. My suspicion is that some players might struggle to make those big 70s humbuckers work because they may be stuck in a box of "my go-to EQ settings" or at least dialing in EQ that looks like it falls into a "normal" range, avoiding the extremes. Most amps though are probably tuned by the manufacturer with something like a Fender P bass in mind, so when vastly different pickup design and positioning is introduced, it's all good to roll way off the Bass knob on the amp or crank the high mids... whatever leaves you with a nice tone that sits well in the mix!

All that said, the Newark Street basses with the reissue Bisonic pickups, also have their own sound, not sounding quite like a 60s Starfire with Bisonics. The pickups aimed to nail the look, but they took some liberties with the design (whether to try something new or to keep costs down) so I wouldn't be surprised if these reissue chrome humbuckers have their own unique flavor as well, in comparison to the originals from the 70s. If you have the ability to record some demo clips, I know we'd all be interested in hearing some of the tones!

On a sidenote, I'd be willing to bet that the introduction of these new reissue humbuckers is part of the reason we've been seeing deep discounts on some of the Bisonic-equipped Starfire basses - I think currently sweetwater has the natural finished ones marked way down to $799. Maybe the complex Bisonic design is going away in favor of the humbuckers again, just like in the early 70s?
 
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Thanks for the info. I’ve had it a few days now and love it. I can’t really compare it to the standard Starfire II or an M85 but with the neck pickup solo and tone rolled back it’ll do the mudbucker thing. With the tone up particularly with both pickups on it’s clear and articulate. And they are very high output compared to my other basses ( Fender AmPro Jazz and Yamaha BB434). Here’s a quick demo I did. Chain is bass into a Darkglass Microtubes X no distortion or can emulation. EQ almost flat. Just a very slight cut at the low mid and slight boost at high mid. I run through both pickups, then bridge then neck at tone on 10 then again at 5 then 2. Rolling the tone completely off causes an almost complete volume drop.

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Link didn't work for me, but this one did:

The bass sounds nice! If I still played bass I would be interested in that one.
 

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Serial number seems to suggest MIK. Loaded with Guildbuckers? Did Yamaha find a secret stash when doing an initial inventory?

Looks like they're already blowing them out for cheap:


 

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I decided to merge the threads.

I'm not sure I'd use the word "blow out" concerning any new Starfire bass with a price above $1,000 but that is my opinion. I also think the lower price is because Sweetwater has some kind of exclusive deal which more and more seems to be an important part of their business model. We don't know whether Sweetwater selected the specs. We don't know whether they were made "for fun" or to use idle factory capacity or move something that had been produced but was not going to be finished and sold as originally intended.

We don't know whether every Guild humbucker that looked like that was the same design or a tweak of that design or what.

with the neck pickup solo and tone rolled back it’ll do the mudbucker thing. With the tone up particularly with both pickups on it’s clear and articulate. And they are very high output compared to my other basses

I note that description could also apply to my vintage humbuckers in a 1971 JS II (solid body) so whatever the differences are in the PU there is a probably a lot of similarity. When I bypassed the Deep-Hard switch the neck pickup was also the hottest thing in the stable.

The examples I've heard of these pickups being used in combination with a pick had a satisfying thwap and powerful fundamental to them. Fingerstyle they seem to be a bit more woofy and lose a bit of definition, but that can sometimes be the desired tone.

Given all the years I have maligned the vintage humbuckers of grudgingly acknowledged that they had their place it never occurred to me that all of my experience with them was playing fingerstyle.
 

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I'm not sure I'd use the word "blow out" concerning any new Starfire bass with a price above $1,000 but that is my opinion.
Point taken: I had misread it to mean that the $450 would be taken off the $1199, which would put put the price in the ballpark of some of the some of the MIK/NS/BiSonic, SFIIs currently being discounted. As you point out, the $1199 is after the $450 discount not before..

In any case, I'm not considering a purchase since:

A)- I already have an extremely nice, Westerly SF-II loaded with Guildbuckers

B)- I don't care for block inlays

C)- I don't care for bound necks on basses

D)- I don't care for opaque finishes. Show me the wood grain!!!

But, for someone else who doesn't yet have any SF Basses and doesn't share my tastes in visual aesthetics, this just could be their "gateway drug" into Guild addiction.

We've all been speculating what Yamaha ownership might bring to the Guilded table. Frankly, this was not one of my guesses.
 

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I didn't notice the $450 but when I went back and read the screenshot I did feel like the presentation could have been better. "Instant Savings" seems somewhere between awkward and deceptive. Maybe there is some kind of Minimum Advertised Price agreement they are skirting? I am reminded of the days when liquor stores could advertise in newspapers but could not print prices. Even as a kid who had never had a drink I knew that "Jim Beam, fifth, less than $10.99" meant someone was going to pay $10.98.

The K serial number also suggests made in Korea to me. With more motivation I would find one of the decoder posts from @SFIV1967 and get at least factory and year.
 

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Yes, those special run bass guitars were made by SPG in Korea (the facility that has closed up shop).
 

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So the Korean NS production is shut down now?
So now Guild NS is Indonesia and China built only?
 
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Yes, even the production of the S-200 series, the Bluesbird and S-100 at World Musical in Korea was discontinued a couple of years ago. With SPG closing shop, there are no more Korean Guilds.
 

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OK, well, if anything, I would say that supports your conclusion, Greg. Not that it's any surprise, but I'd say we're past conjecture at this point. Sigh.

@SFIV1967 Have you heard anything through "official" channels yet? It seems a foregone conclusion at this point.
 
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