The Collings Dread "Colleen" Got Her Hair Done

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I'm VERY careful hear to not disrespect Guild guitars. Like everyone, I have my preferences, but I can give you a common sense assessment of Collings. I've owned two of them, still do, and our friend Scratch has a couple that I've played myself as well, along with numerous other Collings acoustics. I've owned a Santa Cruz, and played several. I'll not get into a sonic assessment because sound is subjective. But I will say that the sound of a Collings guitar, at least all that I have played is unique compared to other guitars, yet common among Collings guitars.

Now to build quality. When I bought my first Collings, the CJ, I went over her with a fine tooth comb. I can not find a flaw or any kind. Fit, finish....all perfect. So then I put a mirror inside to inspect the braces and the underside. I could not find a shaving, a rough edge or a dimension that appeared off center. I did the same mirror inspection with my D2, with the same result. Then when I changed the tuners on my D2, I researched and sought advice from a variety of sources. One point that was made had I decided to change tuner bushings on the D2 was to check to see if the peg holes were chamfered, which would lessen to risk of chipping should I decide to remove the old bushings. When I removed the tuners, not only were the peghead holes chamfered, but the 1/16" tuner screw holes were chamfered as well. Think about that......a part that no one would ever see, and would seem so insignificant, yet Collings took the time and went to the effort to chamfer those tiny tuner screw holes.

If you watch the Collings video about guitar tops, you should really pay attention to what Bruce VanWart says about selecting and making tops. He says they "cull" about 99% of the Adirondack tops they come across, then they shave those tops they do choose to get their desired sound. The nitro finish on a plain Jane Collings acoustic is .005" thick, on a Traditional, .003" thick. Not .006" or .002", but .005" and .003 respectively. Just fascinating to me.

I'll not say here that one guitar is better than another, and Lord knows I dearly love my Guild guitars and always will, My DV's will probably be with me until the day I die. I really enjoyed playing my Santa Cruz D, and it was a very well built guitar, and so delicate and light. But there is simply no comparison in build quality in a Collings compared to any guitar I've ever run across. Collings are build fanatics. These are the reasons Collings guitars are so expensive....one really gets what they pay for.

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Having said Collings guitars were expensive, which they are, I've just noticed that a new Guild D55 lists for $4500! So I guess Collings guitars really aren't THAT expensive.


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Some years ago some LTG folks gathered in Austin. A high point of the trip was a tour of the Collings factory. I left wishing we could afford one. No harm in liking them :)

That used to be my thought too Frono, but as I mentioned earlier, list on a new D55 looks like $4500, with a street price of about $3900. I didn't pay that much for my Collings D, gold engraved tuners included. She is a like new 2018 model.

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But how much would you have to pay for a Collings with D55 bling?
 

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But how much would you have to pay for a Collings with D55 bling?

And you know Dread, that's one thing I always did like about Collings, they are a bit understated. They're pretty much a basic guitar for the most part. Oh you can but them all fancied up, but those will cost you.



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Oh, I don't need the bling, but I thought if price comparisons were being made it should be apples to apples.

I would love to own a basic Collings.
 

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If I recall correctly, and really I'm not sure that I do, it was Darren Wallace in New Hartford, who was one of the senior stafr in charge of tooling, who told me that Collings was exemplary (as in, "we should do it this way"). I think Darren was buddies with some of them, or possibly had worked for Collings at some point. In any case, I am pretty sure I remember some connection between Guild in NH and Collings.
 

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If I recall correctly, and really I'm not sure that I do, it was Darren Wallace in New Hartford, who was one of the senior stafr in charge of tooling, who told me that Collings was exemplary (as in, "we should do it this way"). I think Darren was buddies with some of them, or possibly had worked for Collings at some point. In any case, I am pretty sure I remember some connection between Guild in NH and Collings.

Yes Charlie, if you watch their videos and read up on Collings, they are as meticulous as it gets. Bill Collings was absolutely anal about quality. There was some concern when Bill died that quality might suffer, but his top guys have not only maintained quality, if anything, they have improved it by all accounts via updated build methods. I think Bill instilled perfection in them all, and they've taken that commitment and added new technology and plain old trial and error. They learn from mistakes and are pretty open about it.



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I sure would like to A B the 00-17 12 Fret Collings or equivalent, with or without bling, to my new Martin 12 Fret 00-17SE Black Smoke. An impeccable build guitar that sounds great right out of the box, and it is plecked.

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How many times have you heard someone say "How did that get past final inspection?"

Doesn't matter at that point; you can't inspect quality into a product.
 

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Proper inspections help create an environment in which sub-standard production is not tolerated. I think your statement is true, dread, if there's something inherently wrong with the design of a product. But if the problem is in the production line, well, I think you can inspect quality into a product.
 

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Not really a veer, but let me just say that I often lust after Colling's electrics as well... :love:

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Oh, I don't need the bling, but I thought if price comparisons were being made it should be apples to apples.

I would love to own a basic Collings.

Mine are pretty basic Marc, with maybe the exception of the tops. The CJ has a German spruce top, and the D2 has an Adirondack top.

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