Diary and question about glue for westerly label

Seiki Yoshida

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You're quite welcome!

Your English is very good. I'm (in fact I suspect all of us are) sympathetic to members whose primary language isn't English. It's actually easy for me to guess what someone's trying to say, even if their usage is a little bit "incorrect". But I still try to make sure I understand by offering my interpretation of an unclear statement, so they can confirm or make better explanation.

In your case I suspect you've had pretty good English courses :).
oh ~ real gentleman. i love this forum.
if i die earlier my guilds should be owned by LTGers, they all back to birth place.
 

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Seiki, I always look forward to your posts. As Al said, you do very well! Did you learn English in school growing up? I spent a few years of my career working with people from all over Japan, and I spent two weeks in Matsuyama City in Shikoku. I believe my experience there was very "native" as very little English was spoken or understood. I really enjoyed the immersion in the culture. I had to order a lot of food from the menus by pointing and nodding my head a lot!

Have you ever visited the US?
 

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Seiki, I always look forward to your posts. As Al said, you do very well! Did you learn English in school growing up? I spent a few years of my career working with people from all over Japan, and I spent two weeks in Matsuyama City in Shikoku. I believe my experience there was very "native" as very little English was spoken or understood. I really enjoyed the immersion in the culture. I had to order a lot of food from the menus by pointing and nodding my head a lot!

Have you ever visited the US?
hi Chaz san
mostly i learned english when i was in school but it want good. i felt bored in english class because teachaers just told us how the grammer constructed like subject comes first then verb comes next,
i bought my john denver model AA82 in Matsuyama :) i also like hot spring there.

i ve been US twice, first visit was called in Bothell near Seattle WA. teacher told me about the exchange student program and spent 6 months in edmunds community collage when i was 18 or 19.
my first impression for US was...oh everything big.... people, house, cars, hamberger size.

but it was the middle of september 2001, my host familly and i were watching news on TV. i am still feeling sorry for the loss of US that time...

i joined dutch semiconductor equipment company called ASML in japan
then second time my visit US was Boise Idaho. stayed only a week there. i dont remember what i did there... beer beer every night there.
i d like to visit east side too and want visit for sightseeing.
 

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hi Chaz san
mostly i learned english when i was in school but it want good. i felt bored in english class because teachaers just told us how the grammer constructed like subject comes first then verb comes next,
i bought my john denver model AA82 in Matsuyama :) i also like hot spring there.

i ve been US twice, first visit was called in Bothell near Seattle WA. teacher told me about the exchange student program and spent 6 months in edmunds community collage when i was 18 or 19.
my first impression for US was...oh everything big.... people, house, cars, hamberger size.

but it was the middle of september 2001, my host familly and i were watching news on TV. i am still feeling sorry for the loss of US that time...

i joined dutch semiconductor equipment company called ASML in japan
then second time my visit US was Boise Idaho. stayed only a week there. i dont remember what i did there... beer beer every night there.
i d like to visit east side too and want visit for sightseeing.
Well, if you decide to come back over here, give a shout, Seiki!
 

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I don't have any glue suggestions as I think that others with more experience have already provided some good thoughts. I did want to say that I have a lot of respect for Seiki in the way that he is honoring and caring for his Guild guitar.

Rob
 

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I have successfully reapplied many a label over 30 years using whatever spray adhesive was available (various USA brands: Elmer's, 3M, Krylon, Gorilla).
Mise en place (have everything ready before you begin): Label, spray adhesive, low tack tape, disposable material (paper, cloth, etc), small dry sponge (or equivalent). Pre-position label inside guitar. Apply 4 pieces of low tack tape up against label at points North, South, East and West. Remove label and place, face down, on a clean, disposable material (to catch overspray) AWAY from your guitar. Test spray before final application. You do not want to saturate label, only apply enough to ensure good adhesion. Too little adhesive will... damage nothing. You will simply need to re-apply. Hint, if needed: a small amount of warm air (such as a hair dryer) will soften adhesive for removal. Spray back of label. Following spray adhesive guidelines (typical -allow to dry a few minutes for less tack, apply immediately for permanent bond), carefully position label inside guitar, between low tack tape guides. Using sponge, apply even pressure.
 

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I think it’s cool you still got a label. One of my Guild acoustics, label fell out a long time ago, long before I own it. I can still see it’s fading “footprint” against the back.
 

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I have successfully reapplied many a label over 30 years using whatever spray adhesive was available (various USA brands: Elmer's, 3M, Krylon, Gorilla).
Mise en place (have everything ready before you begin): Label, spray adhesive, low tack tape, disposable material (paper, cloth, etc), small dry sponge (or equivalent). Pre-position label inside guitar. Apply 4 pieces of low tack tape up against label at points North, South, East and West. Remove label and place, face down, on a clean, disposable material (to catch overspray) AWAY from your guitar. Test spray before final application. You do not want to saturate label, only apply enough to ensure good adhesion. Too little adhesive will... damage nothing. You will simply need to re-apply. Hint, if needed: a small amount of warm air (such as a hair dryer) will soften adhesive for removal. Spray back of label. Following spray adhesive guidelines (typical -allow to dry a few minutes for less tack, apply immediately for permanent bond), carefully position label inside guitar, between low tack tape guides. Using sponge, apply even pressure.
chris san, appreciate your detailed comment.

great job you have done.
i m searching & ordering several stuff that i can do from my country :)
think i need training for that
 

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chris san, appreciate your detailed comment.

great job you have done.
i m searching & ordering several stuff that i can do from my country :)
think i need training for that
Don''t "overthink it".;)

Rice and wheat flour glues are very simple mixtures of flour and water, the dissolved starches become sugars and form the bond when dried. Mucilage is based on a similar principle but uses fruit sugars/resins. Commercial mucilage probably has stabilizers added.

Oldest form is "gum tragacanth": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragacanth, but I suspect it'd be quite a bit more costly and demanding of effort to make yourself. :D

Unless you're just one of those guys who likes to try out traditional recipes like me. I once tried to make marzipan from scratch using almonds harvested from abandoned and seeded stock remnants from an old commercial field bordering a bike path I use.

First step was to roast them. 20 minutes into the process, "BANG ! POP!" from the oven (before microwaves were common).
When I checked, most of them had become slightly burnt and a few had popped like popcorn with "interesting" results. :D (even though I was using very low temperature).

Fortunately it cleaned up easily, and after they'd cooled I decided to sample one. UGH. Very bitter. Forget the marzipan.

I found out only recently there are 2 types of almonds, "sweet" and "bitter". Bitter actually has a higher percentage of cyanide and it's actually possible to poison yourself with an overdose.

Good thing I didn't wind up making marzipan after all. :eek:

The moral here is don't eat any strange labels with unknown substances on them. :D
 

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Don''t "overthink it".;)

Rice and wheat flour glues are very simple mixtures of flour and water, the dissolved starches become sugars and form the bond when dried. Mucilage is based on a similar principle but uses fruit sugars/resins. Commercial mucilage probably has stabilizers added.

Oldest form is "gum tragacanth": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragacanth, but I suspect it'd be quite a bit more costly and demanding of effort to make yourself. :D

Unless you're just one of those guys who likes to try out traditional recipes like me. I once tried to make marzipan from scratch using almonds harvested from abandoned and seeded stock remnants from an old commercial field bordering a bike path I use.

First step was to roast them. 20 minutes into the process, "BANG ! POP!" from the oven (before microwaves were common).
When I checked, most of them had become slightly burnt and a few had popped like popcorn with "interesting" results. :D (even though I was using very low temperature).

Fortunately it cleaned up easily, and after they'd cooled I decided to sample one. UGH. Very bitter. Forget the marzipan.

I found out only recently there are 2 types of almonds, "sweet" and "bitter". Bitter actually has a higher percentage of cyanide and it's actually possible to poison yourself with an overdose.

Good thing I didn't wind up making marzipan after all. :eek:

The moral here is don't eat any strange labels with unknown substances on them. :D
hehehe
i think i wont make glue from substances nor making marzipan from alomond because rice is food for me and we dont have Almond trees or seeds here.
japanese eat many kind of things next to chinese. me, of course.
so i ve never tried real marzipan but checked wikipedia and sounds yummy, would be appetizer for good-night wine for me.

the strong gorilla logo makes me think it suits so called 'overbuilt guild'.
gorilla spray attracted me first but not available here and found elmers spray online market aprox 30 dollars, i ll try this one.

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the strong gorilla logo makes me think it suits so called 'overbuilt guild'.
gorilla spray attracted me first but not available here and found elmers spray online market aprox 30 dollars, i ll try this one.

Seiki san, if you would like to come over to my shop, I will give you a can of Elmer's (I use this brand, and have several cans in a cabinet). Better idea: Bring your guitar and I will apply the label for you.
Best idea: Just send me your guitar.
{smile}

In my experience, the Gorilla Glue spray adhesive works like the other brands. Contrary to it's name/reputation, it is *not* stronger than the other spray adhesives.
 

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hehehe
i think i wont make glue from substances nor making marzipan from alomond because rice is food for me and we dont have Almond trees or seeds here.
japanese eat many kind of things next to chinese. me, of course.
so i ve never tried real marzipan but checked wikipedia and sounds yummy, would be appetizer for good-night wine for me.

the strong gorilla logo makes me think it suits so called 'overbuilt guild'.
gorilla spray attracted me first but not available here and found elmers spray online market aprox 30 dollars, i ll try this one.

1691568157847.png
The white glue is specifically the type that is prone to cause wrinkling. It takes too long to dry so water soaks into the paper from the glue.. I would specifically avoid it, even as a spray-on, at any price. ;)
 

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The white glue is specifically the type that is prone to cause wrinkling. It takes too long to dry so water soaks into the paper from the glue.. I would specifically avoid it, even as a spray-on, at any price. ;)

Hi Al, just to clarify: Elmer's Spray Adhesive isn't white or yellow glue (PolyVinyl Acetate or Aliphatic Resin). It is a sprayable "contact cement" (the nasty, stinky stuff) and works great for applications such as Seiki's, when you definitely want to avoid soaking and wrinkling.
 

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Hi Al, just to clarify: Elmer's Spray Adhesive isn't white or yellow glue (PolyVinyl Acetate or Aliphatic Resin). It is a sprayable "contact cement" (the nasty, stinky stuff) and works great for applications such as Seiki's, when you definitely want to avoid soaking and wrinkling.
Is that not literally "rubber cement"? (Thanks for update on what it actually is, but not sure I'd trust rubber cement to last for 50 years, let alone as long as the guitar.... :LOL:)
 

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Understood. But how long did the original label stay attached? I had to re-attach the labels on both my (almost) 50-year-old guitars.
I do have a guitar whose label was glued on with spray adhesive more than thirty years ago, so it has a passable track record with me.
The beauty of the spray adhesive is that it is both non-destructive to the label (which is a very valid concern) and really straightforward to re-apply, if you need to. Don't sniff it (or, if you do, don't operate any heavy machinery around anyone or anything you care about).
 

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Understood. But how long did the original label stay attached? I had to re-attach the labels on both my (almost) 50-year-old guitars.
Kind of inevitable, like a re-fret or neck re-set, then? Label maintenance? Who-d'a thunk.

A Westerly label might actually need 4 or 5 re-glues over a hundred and fifty years.
 
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