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Hey, @SFIV1967 , have you had any recent thoughts about drawing all this lawsuit Guild information together in one place? It'd be a really handy reference to have somewhere. Maybe even just a thread of links to existing threads... I dunno.

Searching for this info is challenging (maybe just for me :) ). I love reading your posts about them
I know, but there is so much info that I would need a lot of time writing that up. GAD would need to give me a restricted access area where I could compile all info so that nobody would comment or write in beetween those. Or even open a new forum for the "copies" where I would sort them by brand name. All doable, just don't have the time yet to even think about a suitable way. I also could exchange and proof-read info with GGJaguar as he also has lots of info on the Japanese models.
Its a bit like Volume II...Sorry...

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I think Hans was just Ralf'd... Or is it the other way around??? :D :D Here's to the guys who actually do the research around here!
And one is in the Netherlands and the other in Germany, and they have so much knowledge about an American made brand. Ever wonder how that happened? What drew Hans to Guild for example? I've never asked him. How about you Ralf? What drew you to become the ravenous researcher of all things Guild that you are?

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How about you Ralf? What drew you to become the ravenous researcher of all things Guild that you are?
Good question! I'm neither a luthier nor a musician. I have to "blame" Keith Richards of the Rolling Stones for it! Sounds crazy, or? He played that "strange" black ES-355 (at least I thought) in the Martin Scorsese "Shine a light" movie. I come back to that shortly.
Since I worked over 20 years for US companies I had collegues who were hobby musicians but had larger guitar collections, also whenever I had free time I visited every known guitar shop I could find on my business trips in the US. So I knew a bit about US guitars over time, I did factory tours at Martin, Fender, Taylor but was mainly in acoustic guitars initially. Not Guild however, I did'nt even know them. My first "electric" guitar was a black Taylor T5, that half acoustic/electric guitar Taylor had just introduced in 2005, I bought the 6 string in 2006 in the Beaverton, OR Guitar Center.

So back to "Shine a light". I had bought the DVD sometime in 2010 I believe and watched again and again what black guitar that is Keith played and gave to Buddy Guy. So I searched the internet and that is how I found out it was a Guild Starfire! And I found that Keith also had that 10 string acoustic from Guild. As I had already seen them live and also had made a list of guitars he played at the concert I saw, Guild was a new name to me not present at the concert I saw in 2006.
So during my internet search for Guild I found LTG in 2010 and that is how I signed up and was fascinated by the knowledge here. I wasn't really into anything Gibson made at that time (neither acoustic nor electric) and thought that I have a Taylor T5 but could maybe also try such a Starfire IV (and not ES-335) as a "more electric" guitar. Also back during school a buddy of mine had a no-name semiacoustic in the ES-335 style which I loved playing. So I started my hunt for a Starfire IV, mainly because I always found guitars with bigsby as nothing I would ever use. Again, I'm no musician just a guitar lover.
And soon after I found a Cherry Starfire IV from 1967 (hence my user name here) in Brooklyn at Southside Guitars and bought her. And then I found out about the many differences in Starfire IV models over time (16th or 18th fret body joint, all the different pickups, body depth, dots or block inlays,...) and hence I started to create my own timelines of models and with being at LTG that quickly extended to all kind of other models and during that time I also started buying more guitars and so one thing came to another....
Also I have a friend who owns a music store here in Germany and he had given me a NAMM company pass, hence I visited NAMM when Ren Ferguson was in New Hartfort, so I had first hand experience when the Orpheum and American Patriarch lines came out in 2013 and was able talking to the Fender and Guild people there, met Doyle Dykes there and so on. And after beeing at concerts seeing Mark Knopfler, Dave Gilmore, Eric Clapton, Joe Bonamassa,... I also started creating lists of guitars they used so I started learning also about all the other "famous" vintage guitars and gained some knowledge in that field I'd say. And as I travelled a lot to Japan as well I also found some interest in tracking down info about all the Japanese Guild copies from the 70ies.

And I think Hans explains how he came to Guild early in his book.

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Owariasahi is near Nagoya in Aichi Prefecture.
The current location of Hoshino Musical Instruments' headquarters is where Tama Seisakusho was built in 1962. But now it's gone.
Tama Seisakusho's guitars are famous for their high quality.
In addition to Ibanez, there were other brands such as TAMA and Bluebell.
The Tama acoustics preceded the Ibanez (Series 1) Artwoods that were built in Owariasahi. From what I gather it was a pretty small shop (not a factory by any means). Those guitars are highly prized by the Ibanez lovers. I've owned about 5 or 6 of them over the years, and my 1980 AW-75 (built there) was the first guitar I ever bought new. Sam Ash in Huntington, NY had a wall full of acoustics and nothing compared to the AW-75. It'll be with me until I'm gone.

As a matter of little interest, my AW-75 is exactly one serial number different from the AW-75 that Dan Fogelberg owned and performed "Part of the Plan" on. I've spoken with the current owner of Fogelberg's actual guitar and he performs that song on it in clubs as a tribute to Dan.
 

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The Tama acoustics preceded the Ibanez (Series 1) Artwoods that were built in Owariasahi. From what I gather it was a pretty small shop (not a factory by any means). Those guitars are highly prized by the Ibanez lovers. I've owned about 5 or 6 of them over the years, and my 1980 AW-75 (built there) was the first guitar I ever bought new. Sam Ash in Huntington, NY had a wall full of acoustics and nothing compared to the AW-75. It'll be with me until I'm gone.

As a matter of little interest, my AW-75 is exactly one serial number different from the AW-75 that Dan Fogelberg owned and performed "Part of the Plan" on. I've spoken with the current owner of Fogelberg's actual guitar and he performs that song on it in clubs as a tribute to Dan.
Hoshino Gakki was founded in 1908 as the musical instrument department of Hoshino Books, and got its start when the bookstore received an order for an organ for singing in textbooks. The person in charge of this ``musical Instrument department'' is the founder, the late Yoshitaro Hoshino.
The musical instrument department was split into a separate company in 1929 and became Hoshino Gakki, a limited liability company. Its founders are Yoshitaro Hoshino and his wife Tama. Tama Factory, and drum brand ``Tama'' comes from his wife's name, ``Tama.''
The eldest son, Ryohei, who was at the center of management at the time, had excellent language skills and a strong overseas orientation, so he began to focus on importing and selling Western musical instruments. In 1929 , we succeeded in directly importing stringed instruments from Spain by the prestigious Ibanez Salvador company, and since then we have been importing wind instruments from Czechoslovakia and accessories for stringed instruments from America. You will be able to purchase directly. The name of the now global brand ``Ibanez'' comes from the import of this guitar.
 

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So back to "Shine a light". I had bought the DVD sometime in 2010 I believe and watched again and again what black guitar that is Keith played and gave to Buddy Guy. So I searched the internet and that is how I found out it was a Guild Starfire!
I've seen that guitar fairly close up, in Buddy Guy's Legends. Whilst I appreciate it's place amongst the memorabilia of Legends, I always felt that when Keith gave it to Buddy, he was trying to send a message to Buddy, to start playing Starfires again! I've always felt that Buddy sounded best playing a Starfire IV :cool:
 

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I've seen that guitar fairly close up, in Buddy Guy's Legends.
Time for the Starfire and Keith again:



And that Starfire IV at Buddy Guy's Legends hanging over the bar:

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Good question! I'm neither a luthier nor a musician. I have to "blame" Keith Richards of the Rolling Stones for it! Sounds crazy, or? He played that "strange" black ES-355 (at least I thought) in the Martin Scorsese "Shine a light" movie. I come back to that shortly.
Since I worked over 20 years for US companies I had collegues who were hobby musicians but had larger guitar collections, also whenever I had free time I visited every known guitar shop I could find on my business trips in the US. So I knew a bit about US guitars over time, I did factory tours at Martin, Fender, Taylor but was mainly in acoustic guitars initially. Not Guild however, I did'nt even know them. My first "electric" guitar was a black Taylor T5, that half acoustic/electric guitar Taylor had just introduced in 2005, I bought the 6 string in 2006 in the Beaverton, OR Guitar Center.

So back to "Shine a light". I had bought the DVD sometime in 2010 I believe and watched again and again what black guitar that is Keith played and gave to Buddy Guy. So I searched the internet and that is how I found out it was a Guild Starfire! And I found that Keith also had that 10 string acoustic from Guild. As I had already seen them live and also had made a list of guitars he played at the concert I saw, Guild was a new name to me not present at the concert I saw in 2006.
So during my internet search for Guild I found LTG in 2010 and that is how I signed up and was fascinated by the knowledge here. I wasn't really into anything Gibson made at that time (neither acoustic nor electric) and thought that I have a Taylor T5 but could maybe also try such a Starfire IV (and not ES-335) as a "more electric" guitar. Also back during school a buddy of mine had a no-name semiacoustic in the ES-335 style which I loved playing. So I started my hunt for a Starfire IV, mainly because I always found guitars with bigsby as nothing I would ever use. Again, I'm no musician just a guitar lover.
And soon after I found a Cherry Starfire IV from 1967 (hence my user name here) in Brooklyn at Southside Guitars and bought her. And then I found out about the many differences in Starfire IV models over time (16th or 18th fret body joint, all the different pickups, body depth, dots or block inlays,...) and hence I started to create my own timelines of models and with being at LTG that quickly extended to all kind of other models and during that time I also started buying more guitars and so one thing came to another....
Also I have a friend who owns a music store here in Germany and he had given me a NAMM company pass, hence I visited NAMM when Ren Ferguson was in New Hartfort, so I had first hand experience when the Orpheum and American Patriarch lines came out in 2013 and was able talking to the Fender and Guild people there, met Doyle Dykes there and so on. And after beeing at concerts seeing Mark Knopfler, Dave Gilmore, Eric Clapton, Joe Bonamassa,... I also started creating lists of guitars they used so I started learning also about all the other "famous" vintage guitars and gained some knowledge in that field I'd say. And as I travelled a lot to Japan as well I also found some interest in tracking down info about all the Japanese Guild copies from the 70ies.

And I think Hans explains how he came to Guild early in his book.

Ralf
And for the record Ralf, I'm no "musician" myself. I'm just a guy who loves guitars and feels blessed to have the opportunity to try and play them.

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Found this guitar 4 years ago and have been searching for more info ever since. Just stumbled across this forum. I’m no guitar expert but I’ve really enjoyed this instrument. It’s got some kind of history because it’s been well used.
 

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Well, that's surely a lawsuit-era (Japanese) Guild clone. Very similar to one we were discussing yesterday that has a Martin-esque 35-series 3-piece back and a Guild-esque headstock. Kind of a mix-and-match type of clone (as there was never a Guild like that).

Neat.
 

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Found this guitar 4 years ago and have been searching for more info ever since. Just stumbled across this forum. I’m no guitar expert but I’ve really enjoyed this instrument. It’s got some kind of history because it’s been well used.
Welcome to LTG! I have seen other such Lincoln 2846 and here you see for whom they were made and who distributed them in the US:

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It is basically an Ibanez 2846 under another name.

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