Guild Orpheum, does the sound and quality match the mystique?

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Are these guitars hyped because of their scarcity or do they live up to their reputation? interesting that they were built in 2014 in NH when in 6/14, production of instruments was abruptly halted by Fender. Though it wasn’t until 2018 that Ren Ferguson left Guild.
 

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Well I'd guess you'd have to play one to say. Do you have one? I've only heard amazing things by people I respect, so I'd love to have one in my hands. Until then.... I'll believe the mystique!! Until proven otherwise... other's will chime in.
 

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I have the slope shoulder dreadnought in Rosewood, and it is a magnificent sounding and looking instrument. It is probably the closest I will ever get to a boutique hand-built instrument.

It's been in the hands of some pretty good players and they have all been impressed.
 

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Well I'd guess you'd have to play one to say. Do you have one? I've only heard amazing things by people I respect, so I'd love to have one in my hands. Until then.... I'll believe the mystique!! Until proven otherwise... other's will chime in.
No I don’t have one. I have had boutique guitars and my D-50’s sound better to my ears. There is one for sale in reasonable proximity though, hence the question. The fretboard is 13/16ths and it’s a short scale slope shoulder dread. Mahogany back and sides with an adi top.
 

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No I don’t have one. I have had boutique guitars and my D-50’s sound better to my ears. There is one for sale in reasonable proximity though, hence the question. The fretboard is 13/16ths and it’s a short scale slope shoulder dread. Mahogany back and sides with an adi top.
If it's close... and you can play it.. otherwise just buy it and if you don't like it... then pass it on.... only my opinion.
 

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I think so. As much as I think my D55 and F50 are great sounding guitars, I find myself impressed when I go to one of my 12 fret Orpheums.
 

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I think so. As much as I think my D55 and F50 are great sounding guitars, I find myself impressed when I go to one of my 12 fret Orpheums.
I would have to try one to see i guess. But one thing that my d-50's have that your d-55 and f-50 do not are Adirondack tops and bracing. The Orpheum does. But these are all moot points to me until I can hear and play one. Thanks for the response.
 

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The "rule" to me is that the more attention an acoustic guitar gets, the more likely it is to sound great . . . and possibly more than great.

I love the sound of my Westerly factory built F44, it's definitely a step above many factory guitars. But my now gone custom shop F30r-ls was a mostly better guitar (depending upon the application), on the level with Collings or Santa Cruz. And I'd argue the greatness factor will always increase as you move to smaller volumes and more attention. Like I suspect I could buy a Flammang or a Walker without ever hearing it with nearly no risk of being displeased when it arrived.

This can go the other way too though, sometimes a simple factory build sounds better to me. Like for example, I've had better luck recording with a lowly DCE1 than I did with the F30r-ls . . .which maybe had too much going on with overtones, etc.

So while I stand by my first statement, there are no absolutes when it comes to acoustic guitars.
 

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I never totally bonded with my Orpheum 12-string (rosewood), which I bought new and which I loved for various reasons. In particular, it was a very special product from New Hartford, highly influenced by Ren Fergusen and the rest of the custom shop guys, and I was delighted to have been its custodian for several years.

Turns out I'm an absolute sucker for the traditional Guild 12-strings, particularly the f-body ones. The Orpheum was a different beast entirely. I'm gonna' miss it when I'm older and the big boys get harder for me to play.
 

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I've owned three Orpheums and currently own two. All were of the 14 fret variety, so I can't speak to the specific appeals of the 12 fret models. But to my ears, yes, the Orpheums are all that.
 

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I never totally bonded with my Orpheum 12-string (rosewood),
Same reason I sold my one as you know, but I'm very happy with the second one I have due to the mahogany body. To me the rosewood didn't match well with the 12 strings in that model. Different story for the 6 strings. And yes, the Orpheums are great guitars.

Ralf
 

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Never held one or played one but I have to go with what I have seen here. Folks love them.
Ren Ferguson oversaw these beauties as well as the first Oxnard US guilds out of the factory. Since I own one of the latter I would have to say there is something there. I look forward to the day I come across one and can play it. I think they are beautifully designed and appointed.
 

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I'd love to compare one to the CJ. They are essentially the same guitar.....both Gibson J45s or similar.

West
 

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I had a OM hog 12 fret . I believe there’s a tune posted in the members music section . Anyway it was very well balanced and had equal tone . What didn’t work for me was baseball bat neck . I’d love to get me hands on rosewood 14 fret OM .
But if I’d loved it’s tone I’d sand the neck down . Lol 😂
 
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Ren Ferguson oversaw these beauties as well as the first Oxnard US guilds out of the factory. Since I own one of the latter I would have to say there is something there. I look forward to the day I come across one and can play it. I think they are beautifully designed and appointed.

It's a pretty safe bet to say there's no one on the planet that knows more about the design and construction of Gibson's iconic slope-shoulder dreads from the 40's, 50's, & 60's than Ren Ferguson. After putting together Gibson's Bozeman assembly line for guitars, he spent decades experimenting with & refining the production of this body style.

I happen to own a 2002 J-45 Rosewood (initially released in 1999) that is tonally one of the finest guitars I've ever had the good fortune to play. With this model, the J-45's classic design was primarily tweaked by changing the body to rosewood, and changing the fretboard & bridge to ebony. Many other variations were pursued over the years. When Ren came to Guild in 2012, another opportunity presented itself to further experiment with the J-45 platform, and the slope-shouldered Orpheum was born.

Unfortunately, the sale of Guild to Cordoba made for a short-lived Orpheum run. I think Ren put everything he had into making the move to Oxnard work - once again setting up a factory that would be capable of building world-class guitars. But I have to say, my armchair gut feeling is that thus far, Cordoba has somewhat squandered the opportunity Ren gave them. Clearly, this current chapter in the life of Guild is ongoing, but the past seven years of development seems to have been rather stifled by corporate decision makers.
 

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I happen to own a 2002 J-45 Rosewood (initially released in 1999) that is tonally one of the finest guitars I've ever had the good fortune to play. With this model, the J-45's classic design was primarily tweaked by changing the body to rosewood, and changing the fretboard & bridge to ebony. Many other variations were pursued over the years.
Around 15 year ago I spent about an hour (alone!) in a GC acoustic room and played all the high end models on display. This included a Martin Eric Clapton and a few regular dreads, and a couple of Taylors. The only guitars that made me seriously think about forgetting my budget for the next few months and splurging were two RW J-45s. In retrospect, I get a similar feeling when I play my 12 fret hog Orpheum dread (except of course I already own it!).
 

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I'd love to compare one to the CJ. They are essentially the same guitar.....both Gibson J45s or similar.

West
Jim, is your CJ standard or short scale, rosewood or mahogany? If it's standard scale, a better comparison would be to the Gibson Advanced Jumbo, most of which are rosewood. My Bourgeois Slope D is more comparable to an AJ as well, although it's mahogany, and is quite a different beast from my Gibson WM45.
 
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