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For those of you that have played a guitar made of Koa. What was your overall impression?
Was it solid Koa, or Koa back and sides? Did you like it or dislike it? Why?
 

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Talking about Guild Koa models, I know 8 different Koa models from Guild (USA) so far. Unfortunatelly I had no chance trying any of them yet, except I saw the 60th Anniversary F-30 Koa at NAMM 2013 but can't remember anymore if I actually test played her there...

1) DK70 Peacock (Westerly made, 50 pcs.)
2) F-30 Avalon Ballroom Custom (Nashville made)
3) F-40K (Tacoma made in 2007, not like a NH GSR yet, TK121014)
4) F-47K (Tacoma made in 2007, looked like a NH GSR model, TK291xxx)
5) F-50K (Tacoma made in 2007, looked like a NH GSR model, TK295xxx)
6) GSR F-50 Koa (NH made in 2010, max. 20 pcs.)
7) GSR F-47KC (NH made in 2012, max. 20 pcs.)
8) Custom Shop 60th Anniversary F-30 Koa (NH made in 2012/2013, 60 pcs.)

Ralf
 
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Talking about Guild Koa models, I know 8 different Koa models from Guild (USA) so far. Unfortunatelly I had no chance trying any of them yet, except I saw the 60th Anniversary F-30 Koa at NAMM 2013 but can't remember anymore if I actually test played her there...

1) DK70 Peacock (Westerly made, 50 pcs.)
2) F-30 Avalon Ballroom Custom (Nashville made)
3) F-40K (Tacoma made in 2007)
4) F-47K (Tacoma made, looked like a NH GSR model)
5) F-50K (Tacoma made, looked like a NH GSR model)
6) GSR F-50 Koa (NH made in 2010, max. 20 pcs.)
7) GSR F-47KC (NH made in 2012, max. 20 pcs.)
8) Custom Shop 60th Anniversary F-30 Koa (NH made, 60 pcs.)

Ralf
Actually, I was asking about any brand of acoustic Koa models. I've never played one. However, this list of Guild Koa models is interesting. Thanks.
 

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I've played a few all-solid koa guitars. They all were OM/000 size. I did not like them. For some reason, koa tops produce (to my ears) a raspy sound like dry leaves. That might work for fingerstyle, but for flat picking it is unpleasant (again, to my ears). For me, koa works better with a spruce top.
 

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I have never played a Koa guitar Reeves, but from what I've read, they sound pretty fantastic generally speaking. Great question, and I'll look forward to the answers you get.

West
 

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My first acoustic is a Taylor DNK. To this day it’s one of my favorites. Solid koa back and sides with a spruce top.



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It does make a very nice ukulele (all solid koa).


Okay. This video sent me down a rabbit hole. Wow! I had no idea AcornHouse. Wonderful creations! I love the parlor guitars.
The Ukulele is beautiful. Thanks for sharing.
 

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Koa is similar to Mahogany but very different which I guess is oxymoronic but it seems to make sense to me so... actually sort of like a blend of mahogany and maple as I recall but not exactly like either. It's a good sound if it's what you like. Checking the Taylor links would probably be very helpful, they do have some great articles on Tone Wood.
I guess this post is probably not helpful at all but best wishes in your search for information.😃
 

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@fronobulax has the 60th anniv koa Guild F-30. that is one of the best sounding acoustic guitars i've ever heard anywhere.

also I have heard some koa hollow body electrics that sound really great
 

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I also have the F 30 60th Anniv. all KOA guitar and I think iot's superb.

When I listed all my F 50's on a prior post I forgot to mention I also have the 2010 NH GSR F 50K with the solid Englemann Spruce soundboard and solid KOA back and sides.. Pretty sweet.
 

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I have a custom made F-612 size 12-string that has koa sides and back. The top is sinker redwood. It sounds great!
Koa is lightweight and has a great compressed dynamic range. It combines clarity with warm, thick tone and produces excellent separation for individual notes.
 

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Trying to put sound into words is very difficult.
Here's my attempt:
You have heard violins you like and violins that you don't like. If you can mentally define the sound of a fiddle you don't like, you have koa's worst qualities.
It's not like other tone woods; koa doesn't fit all sizes and/or types of guitars equally well. It tends to favor some sizes over others and some construction. types over others.

The wood works best on ukuleles because uses are high-pitched and use nylon strings. Their pitch and the strings both work to gentle koa's worst qualities. A small all-koa guitar with a slightly thick top can sound all right too

To me, an all-Koa guitar is a violin I may not like. The sound is usually a bit over-bright, verging toward harsh, with a lot of harmonic overload that is not pleasant to my ears. For as hard as it is, koa doesn't sustain as much as it should, so the tone is quite brittle and short.

But that's not always true. When the guitar's top is not koa, the wood makes for a very bright guitar with less bass than maple, but the sound may not be unpleasant at all.
A soft top like redwood can smooth out koa's tone and can add some good bass and low-kids to it. So can cedar and any of the softer spruces. Even mahogany could do well teamed with koa.
When there's a strong contrast between the top and a koa body, with the workmanship intended to bring out the sound, and doesn't follow the same crafting as a typical guitar, koa can be quite good-sounding. I think it would be better as a rhythm guitar than as a lead instrument though.

The wood is visually gorgeous for sure, when it's at its best. It's ironic I find that the prettier the wood is, the more I dislike the sound. But when the koa is quite plain and has little figure, the wood always sounds better.
 

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I have a Taylor all koa 855 12 string. I would compare its looks with its tone. It looks kind of like maple, but darker and more colorful. It also sounds a bit like maple, only darker and more colorful. It's not my most powerful guitar but it's great fun. Quick on the attack and decay, it's very punchy. There are pictures in this thread:

' Strang

 

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Yup.
Koa's qualities would be good for a 12-string, especially for one that's designed to be tuned down a step.
There's a lot of stuff that works better on one type of guitar or for a guitar that isn't intended to be a traditional build.

As always, anything I said that was negative is only me and my preferences. I never want to interfere with someone else's choices at all.
I believe there's a guitar for every player and every player a guitar that is perfect for them.
 

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I have a custom made F-612 size 12-string that has koa sides and back. The top is sinker redwood. It sounds great!
Koa is lightweight and has a great compressed dynamic range. It combines clarity with warm, thick tone and produces excellent separation for individual notes.
RGSmith, that's a beautiful instrument!
 
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