NGD Thursday: Oxnard D-20!

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Actually, a new F20 would be called an M40 (concert size, spruce/mahogany), wouldn't it? And a new F30 would be either an OM40 (spruce/mahogany) or OM50 (spruce/rosewood), depending on the body wood. And, just to make things more confusing, a new M30 would be an OM20. Right?
You are correct and they've even already shown the M40 prototype! :
http://www.letstalkguild.com/ltg/showthread.php?189783-New-M-40-Prototype&highlight=prototype
I was guilty of rushing to post, thank you!!

Just occurred to m (and apologies for the veer): the F40 and F47 have no place in the new naming scheme, as they are neither concert, orchestra, dreadnought, nor jumbo. Either there will need to be an added designation for grand orchestra, or these models are dead!
I suspect they've got a contingency plan, it wouldn't be hard to simply add a new category to the matrix, but that was a good observation!
For one thing, F40's were also the platform the Fxxce series were based on, and I think they could justify getting back into that market down the road.

And now, back to the waiting game........
 
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It arrived a few hours ago!! Maybe at 1 or 2? I did not wait but yanked it out immediately. I then had a fight with my girlfriend. :( Those are the kinds of things that make people buy guitars, not the kinds of things that happen when one buys a guitar, right?? I then wrote and recorded her a song for her to hear when she wakes up which I hope helps (used my Hummingbird though, which is sort of "our" guitar).

Anyway, it's here, and it's wonderful. I can't imagine anyone being disappointed unless they did not like mahogany tops, or wanted bling, or wanted it to be something it wasn't (small, a Martin, whatever). It is really impeccable and I think superior to the Martin D-15M

By the way, there IS no label! In addition, it does in fact say "Made in USA" on the neck block.

Here are some photographs as proof, plus some other photos of the innards for some reason. I took a billion photos and will post more later unless you guys get sick of photos! I want to take some outdoor photos when I have time as well (this is getting silly).







 

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Prepare for photo bomb!

Is it bad to post a photo that includes the serial number?? I know some people refrain from this, but I'm not sure why.
 
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Sorry for the upside-down photos... Thought I could rotate them after upload, but Photobucket is being a true menace.
 
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By the way, there IS no label! In addition, it does in fact say "Made in USA" on the neck block.
THANK YOU sir!!
And pat yourself on the back for posting what I think is the first pic here of how they're "labeled", and simultaneously answering the question about whether or not they can actually say "Made in USA".
Edit: After a couple of minutes of memory percolation I think our member SFIV1967 (Ralf) clued us in to the "labeling technique" few months back, he's good at posting pics from things like the NAMM shows, but I don't recall if he actually posted a pic as opposed to describing the method...
Lesseee...about the girlfriend, though...I'm probably not qualified to give advice on that one.
I usually just resort to flagrant bribery supplemented with abject groveling.
 
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THANK YOU sir!!
And pat yourself on the back for posting what I think is the first pic here of how they're "labeled", and simultaneously answering the question about whether or not they can actually say "Made in USA".
Lesseee...about the girlfriend...I'm probably not qualified to give advice on that one.
I usually just resort to flagrant bribery supplemented with abject groveling.

I am definitely not above that... I think I just need to be less of a whiny grouch in the future, but what can I say! I am an emotional songwriter!

I hadn't even noticed the lack of label until it was mentioned here. Maybe they just forgot! I wonder if they'll start using a label again in the future. I kind of miss it. Were they really that scared to write Oxnard on it? Oxen gotta procreate somehow. It's just biology.
 

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It is very DARK in person, which really to me hearkens back to the 1950s. I like it. The whole thing looks, feels and sounds vintage. It almost sounds as "vintage" as my Hummingbird Vintage, in fact, and it holds its own very well against it which really says something. My Hummingbird Vintage retails for like 4x the amount as the D-20. Even a regular Hummingbird retails for 3x the price.

But, being a square-shouldered, mahogany dreadnought, my Gibson Hummingbird Vintage is the closest direct comparison for the D-20, despite the major differences of top wood (mahogany vs. torrefied sitka spruce), scale length (Gibson is 24.75" and D-20 is apparently 25-5/8"? which is oddly even longer than Martin's 25.5"), and of course the huge difference of innards/manufacture.

It really breathes. It is loud, at least for a mahogany guitar, and maybe loud in general. It is certainly louder than a Martin D-15M, as loud as my Hummingbird (Hummingbird has the shorter scale though), and perhaps as loud as most any dreadnought within reason. It definitely has the sweetness of a mahogany top, and you would not mistake it for sitka spruce, but I did not want another sitka spruce. I also did not necessarily want a loud guitar, but I didn't want a heavily compressed or muted one either. Happily, this is just right. It's extremely dynamic, which is what you want in a guitar. Some guitars (looking at you, Martin) seem to have one volume setting: 11, which is great when you want it but can be a problem if it happens accidentally. Other guitars compress and bottom out and don't quite get the dynamic loudness when you might really want it (I like to really bang with a pick for a crescendo sometimes, and no, you don't want the guitar to drown our your voice, but you do want it to be able to get loud enough to support your voice if you're really having a wail). Again, this D-20 doesn't disappoint.

The case is the coolest I've ever had a guitar ship with. Love the green lining and the built-in humidifier. I will eventually buy a Hiscox for this guitar anyway, but still. It came with fun case candy too (look! review the guitar and get goodies! maybe I'll just copy/paste this--if so, better remember to delete this part)

The setup feels good to me. I will not change it. Even with brand new strings, the guitar does not sound harsh (one of my main complaints with strings and with Martins--too much pizzazz! give me dead strings instead!). I look forward to trying different types of strings, but it seems like it will probably sound good with anything from Pure Nickel to even the really garish and harsh-sounding coated strings.

The fit and finish is not perfect. I don't care, personally. You can't tell unless you stick your head in the soundhole, and it affects nothing. The fit/finish on the outside is pretty darn close to perfect if not perfect. Neck set does seem perfect. Fit/finish/setup is at least on-par with Martin/Gibson, maybe better.

I find that for fingerpicking, I'm plucking the strings maybe a little harder than I should. This might mean it's a little quieter for fingerpicking, or it might just mean the setup is good enough that I'm too heavy-handed. (I am definitely a heavy-handed fingerpicker) I don't think the trebles are too quiet for fingerstyle or anything like that, but then, I am one of those weirdoes who happily fingerpicks a dreadnought or jumbo.

In general, it's just got a really sweet, vintage-sounding tone with strong string separation, a thrummy and deep bass (rather than a popping one). I think it's probably louder and less dark than one would expect from an all-mahogany guitar. It does have quite a CRACK on the upper-midrange. This could be the new strings. It is not undesirable and I think contrasts with some mahogany guitars. When you really get it going, it has a nice jangle (in a good way) that is kind of a weird hybrid of Gibson and Martin, and again, so vintage-sounding.

Playing it, I'm not specifically reminded of anything. I'm not really reminded of Guilds of my past, nor of other all-mahogany dreadnoughts. If I had picked it up in the shop, I would have said it was one of the best guitars in there. If it was a brand I did not recognize, I would have taken notice of that brand; or a brand I didn't care for (such as Taylor), I would have re-evaluated that brand. If it were an import (Guild or otherwise), I'd have to begin thinking twice about avoiding imports. But, it is a Guild, the name of an old friend, and made right here in the US of A by the team of another old friend.

I really like the neck. It seems maybe a little chunkier and (again) more vintage. Oh yeah, and as the 1-11/16" nut width was what worried me so much (and only love of Guild got me to take the plunge), it seems like I'm totally fine with it. Yes, it is a little narrow for me, and I screw up a bit more, but I'm managing, and eventually I may actually screw up less in other areas (it does maybe thumb-fretting easier). I think the chunkiness of the neck helps me a little, too. Switching from the D-20 to my Gibsons (a whole 1/32" difference!) seems fine. I'll see how I do switching between the D-20 and my Martins (1/16" difference at the nut which I think makes a sizable difference at the bridge).

In the end, what sticks in my mind is that vintage, chimy tone. It looks like a new guitar, but it sounds like an old one. It came to me in tune. The tuners, by the way, are excellent. They seem perhaps higher than usual ratio, which I really like, are buttery smooth, and the plastic buttons feel kind of nice. I think they are Grovers (which are imports, by the way, made in China these days), but Grover seems to continually up their game. I'd still prefer USA-made tuners on a USA-made guitar, but what can you do. That is about the only corner cut other than the lack of blind/binding, and even my Gibson SJ-200 with special edition art deco tuners had Chinese-made Grovers.

One thing I still wonder about is the "satin varnish." I wonder how it differs from satin nitrocellulose lacquer.

I think that about sums up my wide variety of thoughts, but if anyone had questions or was trying to decide whether to purchase, I'm happy to think more.
 
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I am definitely not above that... I think I just need to be less of a whiny grouch in the future, but what can I say! I am an emotional songwriter!
Copy that.

I hadn't even noticed the lack of label until it was mentioned here. Maybe they just forgot! I wonder if they'll start using a label again in the future. I kind of miss it. Were they really that scared to write Oxnard on it? Oxen gotta procreate somehow. It's just biology.

See my edit, in my post.
I think the plan was to laser-inscribe 'em from the beginning and I just forgot.
The "plate" on the heel-block is the label.
When you think about it, it's extremely unlikely to fall off and more legible than anything that went before, and pretty tamper-proof too.
Oh yeah, great photos!, and I'm not generally hot for pics.
 

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Copy that.



See my edit, in my post.
I think the plan was to laser-inscribe 'em from the beginning and I just forgot.
The "plate" on the heel-block is the label.
When you think about it, it's extremely unlikely to fall off and more legible than anything that went before, and pretty tamper-proof too.
Oh yeah, great photos!, and I'm not generally hot for pics.

I really overdo it with the photos. I like to keep them for my own posterity, but I tend to end up subjecting the internet to the lot as well.

That makes sense about the labels. I think Martin dispensed with paper labels somewhat recently as well. My 2010 does not have one, at least. My Gibsons all have orange labels, except for a white label on my J-15 oddly... and nothing on the neck blocks. Maybe Gibson should start laser-etching as well!
 

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One thing I still wonder about is the "satin varnish." I wonder how it differs from satin nitrocellulose lacquer.
I think that about sums up my wide variety of thoughts, but if anyone had questions or was trying to decide whether to purchase, I'm happy to think more.

Great review.
Made me want to look for one to try.
We discussed varnish a while back but it'd take me awhile to find the thread.
Oh, here it is:
http://www.letstalkguild.com/ltg/showthread.php?188931-Finishes&highlight=varnish
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Great write-up, and don't feel bad about posting a lot of pictures. We love 'em!
 

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Great review.
Made me want to look for one to try.
We discussed varnish a while back but it'd take me awhile to find the thread.
Oh, here it is:
http://www.letstalkguild.com/ltg/showthread.php?188931-Finishes&highlight=varnish
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Thanks! I will peruse it and also that giant article about cellos! Maybe I can read it at work tomorrow if I'm sneaky............ It does feel a little like a really thin cello finish now that I think about it. I like it, and it feels especially nice on the neck. I'm used to my Gibsons' glossy necks and my Martin's neck that was (is) satin but has been stickied up from my sweaty hand over the years I guess. Maybe it felt like the neck on my D-20 originally too. I hope the D-20 will still get nice and glossy in spots from my feverish and sweaty playing. :D
 

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Some might grouse about some excess glue inside, but they may improve that as the continue to make them.
 

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Oh please about the glue! It's just fine!! Finished very well. People worry about a tad of glue then fuss when .... never mind. Jesse, thanks for all these amazing photos!! We don't get that too often especially when it's a new model that most of us haven't seen yet. It looks REALLY nice and I think you got a really great guitar!! I'm really surprised about the label. I understand that maybe a paper label isn't exactly the most tamper-proof thing but ... you could to both, but that's obviously something we'll just have to get used to, WON'T WE??

Anyway, thanks for all the photos and feedBAG.... we love that stuff.

Congrats, again, amigo!! :encouragement::encouragement:
 

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Awesome guitar ;)
Ugh ! Do I have ask again ? AUDIO ! Lmao

I have one dealer local and that does mean they have any Guilds in stock .
 
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Thanks everybody!

Yeah, I hesitated with the glue photos, not because I'm bothered by it but because I don't want to give Guild USA any bad publicity. If I post elsewhere I probably won't post so many photos. One thing I'd like to see is my bridge plate, but I can't get the camera in with the strings on.

I was also going to say that I was seriously tempted by the full-body sunburst, but my girlfriend preferred the natural. :) I do think it looks A+. I don't know if I would have preferred the sunburst. At least this way it's very apparent that it's mahogany. The sunburst masks the top a little perhaps. Looks great though.

I'll try to get some audio up this weekend.
 
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