Oh yes..and yet another ..Guild sighting "STARFIRE swing"

[capnjuan]

thank you sir, i always thought that was a funny video. i am not much a Mayer fan myself, he is a talented player but his style of music is not really my cup of tea.

I admire him (Joe Bonamassa) for having not gone "pop" yet but it truly baffles me how he isn't a household name yet like a John Mayer type. But I know it has to do with the "pop" element.

As for John Mayer, all it would take is for him to share the stage with Joe Bonamassa for a few songs and he would never ever be heard from again.

I feel he just gets too much credit for being a great bluesman, when he is a pop star. I see him as a pop star and not a bluesman, but his die hard fans sweat that he is Jimi and SRV's love child. He is talented yes, but very unoriginal and when he does try to be original it is nothing more that fratboy pop rock. This is all just my opinion though so no offense meant for anyone who likes him. That is why I prefer a guy like Joe Bonamassa to Mayer. Bonamassa is the anti-pop star, but by not selling out he hasn't gotten the respect he deserves yet. If he were to sell out and put out an album of originals that all were aimed at making frat boys and teenies dance then he would no doubt be a household name.

save for the fact him doing as well as he is has nothing to do with his chops, which are what the Mayer fanboys celebrate most. He is popular because he write bubblegum pop songs for fratboys and teenage college girls. He is getting lots of mileage from SRV and Jimi licks over and over again while writing songs with very little content. His personal life doesn't matter to me, I base my assessment on his playing and the music, which is unbearable. I have tried several times to listen to various discs of his, but cant make it through a whole song without skipping the the next one. This is common knowledge, but, there are plenty of more talent players out there we have never of since they are too busy gigging and playing good music to worry about twittering, writing pop songs and making the tabloids. Bonamassa and Derek Trucks come to mind immediately.

I'm beginning to think you don't like John Mayer. Are we ever going to get to a point where somebody can mention John Mayer without you going off on him?

 

[MojoTooth]

I'm beginning to think you don't like John Mayer. Are we ever going to get to a point where somebody can mention John Mayer without you going off on him?

probably not, but I am entitled to my opinion just as you are. if someone were to post negatively about an artist I like, I wouldn't agree with them but I wouldn't get upset about it. if someone doesn't like what i post they have the options to keep it moving or get offended. i cant and wont censor my commentaries for concern of hurting someones feelings and I would expect the same from the others here. if that bothers you or anyone else I do apologize.

 

[capnjuan]

I'm beginning to think you don't like John Mayer. Are we ever going to get to a point where somebody can mention John Mayer without you going off on him?

probably not ...

Why not?

 

[MojoTooth]

I'm beginning to think you don't like John Mayer. Are we ever going to get to a point where somebody can mention John Mayer without you going off on him?

probably not ...

Why not?

because as long as i am not in violation of the terms and conditions i can and will post what i wish. i guess i don't see why it is of concern or noteworthy to you, but that's fine. i am sure i post plenty of music videos or about artists that others dislike and they are free to comment about their dislike for said artists or music just as i do about John Mayer.

 

[capnjuan]

I'm beginning to think you don't like John Mayer. Are we ever going to get to a point where somebody can mention John Mayer without you going off on him?

probably not ...

Why not?

because as long as i am not in violation of the terms and conditions i can and will post what i wish.

I agree; you can pretty much say what's on your mind.

But the fact that you can doesn't mean that you have to; being able to say what's on your mind is a privilege ... it isn't a duty ... you aren't required to do it.

I mean, the next time John Mayer's name comes up, no one is going to say to you: "hey mojo ... somebody brought up JM in a new thread, get over there and diss him".

Considering how many times you've already whizzed on the guy, do you feel like you haven't really made yourself clear?

 

[MojoTooth]

But the fact that you can doesn't mean that you have to; being able to say what's on your mind is a privilege ... it isn't a duty ... you aren't required to do it.

You are correct, but I'm not going to stop saying what is on my mind because someone else takes offense to it or doesn't want to hear or read it. I don't do the whole PC thing, Cap'n. If you or anyone else is tired of reading what I post regarding other topics or seeing me bag on John Mayer, then by all means skip over it and keep it moving. Or get upset, but I can't and won't be concerned with that. There is nothing much else to be gained by going back and forth here sir.

 

[capnjuan]

... There is nothing much else to be gained by going back and forth here sir.

Agreed.

 

[fronobulax]

i cant and wont censor my commentaries for concern of hurting someones feelings and I would expect the same from the others here.

It makes me sad to read that because one of the things that makes LTG a nice place is that most people will pull their punches rather than offend or start yet another thread that goes into the toilet before it gets locked and deleted.

However, I will commend you for the way you are expressing your opinion. I observed no personal attacks on people who like JM, nor was there anything that even skated close to forbidden territory. LTG tolerates people who express the same opinion every time the subject comes up and in that sense, your comments about JM are no different from people who insist that Westerly was the greatest of all Guild factories, every time the subject comes up.

 

[FNG]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEuw9fcW ... re=related

I'd like to be able to write a song like that.

 

[MojoTooth]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEuw9fcWlL0&feature=related

I'd like to be able to write a song like that.

sounds like he is doing his best Buddy Guy impersonation on this one, which is nice since that means he s taking a break from impersonating Jimi or SRV.

 

[capnjuan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEuw9fcWlL0&feature=related I'd like to be able to write a song like that.

I'll bet 'ol JM gets some serious chicks ... thanks for the link ... enjoyed it!

 

[CA-35]

one moment please......

 

[FNG]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEuw9fcWlL0&feature=related

I'd like to be able to write a song like that.

sounds like he is doing his best Buddy Guy impersonation on this one, which is nice since that means he s taking a break from impersonating Jimi or SRV.

Buddy Guy wishes he could have written a song like that. :lol:

Not sure I can find anything John Mayer has done that makes me think he's impersonating SRV or Jimi.

 

[MojoTooth]

ok.

 

[guildman63]

Interesting spin this thread took...pun intended. As for whether or not JM is a legitimate "bluesman" isn't really an issue. He launched his career catering to the 13 year old kids, and made himself and his record company a large boat load of money. Now that he has earned the right to do so he is stretching out a bit and pursuing other musical avenues. Is he as good as Joe Bonamassa, Buddy Guy, Eric Clapton, SRV, Derrick Trucks, Jimi Hendrix, or any other clearly accomplished blues guitarist? I'm not sure it really matters. Besides, I'm not sure how you can honestly compare one persons skills to another without injecting bias based upon who's music you prefer. He is better than any of us, which in my case isn't saying much :lol: As for impersonating Buddy Guy, SRV or Jimi Hendrix...if he wants to be a legit blues man he sure as hell better steal from them, and as much as humanly possible! Clapton, Guy, Hendrix, Vaughan, and any other musician throughout history has always begged, borrowed and stole from those that preceded them. The mark of a great musician is not how much they rip from those before them, but over the course of a long career what they are able to do with what they steal, and how they are able to take it to the next level. Stylistically, JM is worlds away from Bonamassa, which is great for me since it would really suck if everyone played the same damn thing. Is JM any good? He has garnered much praise from those that know more than I do, like those with some of the most popular guitar trade magazines (GP, Guitar, etc...), and with those that preceded him, like Mr. Clapton, Mr. B.B. King, and many others that are much more qualified to comment on who can play and who can't. If given the choice to listen to JM or a good riff by Gary Moore, Joe Pass, Emily Remler, SRV, or even Bonamassa, I'm afraid JM would be at the bottom of that list. But you know what? He is barely old enough to wipe his *ss by himself, and in all likelihood he will be around and laying down his version of the blues, and whatever else moves him, for a very long time. Will he ever be considered amongst the best blues guitarists ever? Maybe, maybe not. Will I lose one second of sleep worrying about how good (or bad) he or anyone else is on their respective instruments? Not likely, because at least he is out there living the dream, while I am here typing to all of you because nobody wants to hear my guitar dreams :lol: Now excuse me while I pick up my newly purchased and set up 1984 X-500, and try to copy the hell out of Emily Remler and Joe Pass (they will both be rolling in their graves for sure!) :lol: And please excuse me if I misspelled the names of any of the legends (or future legends?) that I chose to include in this rant of mine. :mrgreen:

 

[hideglue]

Interesting spin this thread took...pun intended. As for whether or not JM is a legitimate "bluesman" isn't really an issue. He launched his career catering to the 13 year old kids, and made himself and his record company a large boat load of money. Now that he has earned the right to do so he is stretching out a bit and pursuing other musical avenues. Is he as good as Joe Bonamassa, Buddy Guy, Eric Clapton, SRV, Derrick Trucks, Jimi Hendrix, or any other clearly accomplished blues guitarist? I'm not sure it really matters. Besides, I'm not sure how you can honestly compare one persons skills to another without injecting bias based upon who's music you prefer. He is better than any of us, which in my case isn't saying much :lol: As for impersonating Buddy Guy, SRV or Jimi Hendrix...if he wants to be a legit blues man he sure as hell better steal from them, and as much as humanly possible! Clapton, Guy, Hendrix, Vaughan, and any other musician throughout history has always begged, borrowed and stole from those that preceded them. The mark of a great musician is not how much they rip from those before them, but over the course of a long career what they are able to do with what they steal, and how they are able to take it to the next level. Stylistically, JM is worlds away from Bonamassa, which is great for me since it would really suck if everyone played the same damn thing. Is JM any good? He has garnered much praise from those that know more than I do, like those with some of the most popular guitar trade magazines (GP, Guitar, etc...), and with those that preceded him, like Mr. Clapton, Mr. B.B. King, and many others that are much more qualified to comment on who can play and who can't. If given the choice to listen to JM or a good riff by Gary Moore, Joe Pass, Emily Remler, SRV, or even Bonamassa, I'm afraid JM would be at the bottom of that list. But you know what? He is barely old enough to wipe his *ss by himself, and in all likelihood he will be around and laying down his version of the blues, and whatever else moves him, for a very long time. Will he ever be considered amongst the best blues guitarists ever? Maybe, maybe not. Will I lose one second of sleep worrying about how good (or bad) he or anyone else is on their respective instruments? Not likely, because at least he is out there living the dream, while I am here typing to all of you because nobody wants to hear my guitar dreams :lol: Now excuse me while I pick up my newly purchased and set up 1984 X-500, and try to copy the hell out of Emily Remler and Joe Pass (they will both be rolling in their graves for sure!) :lol: And please excuse me if I misspelled the names of any of the legends (or future legends?) that I chose to include in this rant of mine. :mrgreen:

I'm quoting your entire post, guildman, because it's nearly everything I wanted to write -- you just said it a whole lot better!

 

[GAD]

SRV copied Jimi. And Albert King, and BB King, and...

Everyone copies everyone else.

It's cool to hate on JM. He's a great player who plays with the likes of Pino Palladino and Steve Jordan, he's got teen girls listening to the blues, he dates Hollywood starlets, and he clearly has a good time doing it. He's got the respect of guys like BB King and Buddy Guy. I don't like all of his songs, but there's some stuff I really dig.

Personally, I've never understood why musicians need to hate other musicians. The world is mean enough as it is.

 

[F30]

All that aside he could of used a Strat or a 335 in that clip But I sure like that he used a Starfire....
Shows some real taste in guitars :mrgreen:

 

[MojoTooth]

Personally, I've never understood why musicians need to hate other musicians. The world is mean enough as it is.

Let's clear one thing up. I do not "hate" him nor am I "hating" on him. That word has been so misused and overused in our society that what it truly means is I don't agree with someone else's opinion on JM or they said something I don't like so they must be a "hater". Wrong. Never said I hate the guy. I think he is a very good guitarist, but I dislike everything about his whole presentation from his music, to his playing, to his "style" of music. I could care less about anything aside from his music because I have my own life to live and I am happy with my personal life. The whole bit about "his life" and his "lifestyle" is another line of defense his fans bring up to try and make it seem like anyone who dislikes the guy is jealous and that it could never be about his music. Weak and very telling on their part that they are caught in his life. That whole "hater" line of defense may work over at TGP, but that is certainly not the case with my dislike for Mayer. If that is how you see it and the wording you choose to describe it then that is on you, but it is misplaced and inaccurate. I typically disagree with many things posted here, but if LTG turns into a place that routinely uses the word "hater" to describe people that disagree with the "general consensus" of LTG then I'll shortly after be leaving LTG. With that said, I am done with this topic.

 

[guildman63]

Now, getting back to the initial point of this thread... I kind of like the sound he gets from his SF in this song. Some may prefer a heavier sound, but SF's do clean very, very well. As for my newly purchased X-500 that I signed off after my rant last night to play, it's got a pretty sweet tone for sure! I put flat 12's on it, and it's about as warm as a July day in Florida. Of course, my attempts to emulate some of the jazz greats like Joe Pass, Emily Remler and Kenny Burrell fell way short. I know it wasn't the guitar, so I guess my lessons need to continue.