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OK, you wide-body-binding-haters: here's some trivia for ya.

Originally, Les Paul body binding width remained consistent around the entire perimeter of the body. The problem with doing it that way is the carved maple cap, which peeks out under the binding in the cutaway, giving the design a somewhat "unfinished" or "poorly-thought-out look (see PIC on right). At some point (late 1960s? early 1970s?) Gibson sought to rectify this by widening the binding gradually in the cutaway in order to cover this "seam" between the maple cap and the mahogany body (see PIC on left):



I suspect that something similar is going on on that L-5S in the post above.

Evidently lots of people complained about this apparent correction of what was probably originally a design oversight because it made the binding in the cutaways of new LPs look "different" from the cutaways of the old ones. Pretty ironic, since the original "look" was probably a mistake and the revised design was cleaner from a craftsmanship perspective. If memory serves, there was such an uproar that Gibson actually went back to the "original" binding (cap seam showing) which was probably easier to manufacture anyway.

Funny how some rock musicians, normally characterized as being "wild" and "edgy" can get so stodgy about the width of the binding in a LP cutaway or how many plies of plastic their Strat pickguard is made from or the number of screws that are holding it on.
 

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OK, you wide-body-binding-haters: here's some trivia for ya.

Originally, Les Paul body binding width remained consistent around the entire perimeter of the body. The problem with doing it that way is the carved maple cap, which peeks out under the binding in the cutaway, giving the design a somewhat "unfinished" or "poorly-thought-out look (see PIC on right). At some point (late 1960s? early 1970s?) Gibson sought to rectify this by widening the binding gradually in the cutaway in order to cover this "seam" between the maple cap and the mahogany body (see PIC on left):



I suspect that something similar is going on on that L-5S in the post above.

Evidently lots of people complained about this apparent correction of what was probably originally a design oversight because it made the binding in the cutaways of new LPs look "different" from the cutaways of the old ones. Pretty ironic, since the original "look" was probably a mistake and the revised design was cleaner from a craftsmanship perspective. If memory serves, there was such an uproar that Gibson actually went back to the "original" binding (cap seam showing) which was probably easier to manufacture anyway.

Funny how some rock musicians, normally characterized as being "wild" and "edgy" can get so stodgy about the width of the binding in a LP cutaway or how many plies of plastic their Strat pickguard is made from or the number of screws that are holding it on.
Rock musicians don't occupy a special branch on the evolutionary tree.
They have the same schticks as the rest of us, just more money to bring them to fruition.
And no. I don't like the wide binding.
RBSinTo
 

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OK, you wide-body-binding-haters: here's some trivia for ya.

Originally, Les Paul body binding width remained consistent around the entire perimeter of the body. The problem with doing it that way is the carved maple cap, which peeks out under the binding in the cutaway, giving the design a somewhat "unfinished" or "poorly-thought-out look (see PIC on right). At some point (late 1960s? early 1970s?) Gibson sought to rectify this by widening the binding gradually in the cutaway in order to cover this "seam" between the maple cap and the mahogany body (see PIC on left):



I suspect that something similar is going on on that L-5S in the post above.

Evidently lots of people complained about this apparent correction of what was probably originally a design oversight because it made the binding in the cutaways of new LPs look "different" from the cutaways of the old ones. Pretty ironic, since the original "look" was probably a mistake and the revised design was cleaner from a craftsmanship perspective. If memory serves, there was such an uproar that Gibson actually went back to the "original" binding (cap seam showing) which was probably easier to manufacture anyway.

Funny how some rock musicians, normally characterized as being "wild" and "edgy" can get so stodgy about the width of the binding in a LP cutaway or how many plies of plastic their Strat pickguard is made from or the number of screws that are holding it on.
I think we were posting simultaneously.
 

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1986 Guild Nightbird

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OK, you wide-body-binding-haters: here's some trivia for ya.

Originally, Les Paul body binding width remained consistent around the entire perimeter of the body. The problem with doing it that way is the carved maple cap, which peeks out under the binding in the cutaway, giving the design a somewhat "unfinished" or "poorly-thought-out look (see PIC on right). At some point (late 1960s? early 1970s?) Gibson sought to rectify this by widening the binding gradually in the cutaway in order to cover this "seam" between the maple cap and the mahogany body (see PIC on left):

The Les Paul Custom on the right looks particularly bad because the inner edges of the binding aren't parallel in the cutaway. It's less ugly on a Standard.
 

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Well, lots of multiply binding is a time-honored tradition on fancy guitars in general and fancy archtops in particular, isn't it?

I like it, but it's heartbreaking to see it shrink, crystallize, rot or otherwise deteriorate on all those beautiful NY archtops...D'Angelicos, D'Aquisto's, Gretsches, Epiphones, Guilds,...

Interestingly, a lot of Japanese "lawsuit" era guitars seem to suffer the same fate - rotting, crumbling binding.
 

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Well, lots of multiply binding is a time-honored tradition on fancy guitars in general and fancy archtops in particular, isn't it?

I like it, but it's heartbreaking to see it shrink, crystallize, rot or otherwise deteriorate on all those beautiful NY archtops...D'Angelicos, D'Aquisto's, Gretsches, Epiphones, Guilds,...

Interestingly, a lot of Japanese "lawsuit" era guitars seem to suffer the same fate - rotting, crumbling binding.
My '59 doesn't have the fanciest binding, but it does have the shrinkage. My luthier thinks it's best left alone, but that might be because he doesn't want to do the job!

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Well, lots of multiply binding is a time-honored tradition on fancy guitars in general and fancy archtops in particular, isn't it?

I like it, but it's heartbreaking to see it shrink, crystallize, rot or otherwise deteriorate on all those beautiful NY archtops...D'Angelicos, D'Aquisto's, Gretsches, Epiphones, Guilds,...

Interestingly, a lot of Japanese "lawsuit" era guitars seem to suffer the same fate - rotting, crumbling binding.
Really good point, Walter. Just like in Sandy's case, which is only a moderately complex layering of strips, what're you supposed to do?
 

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Here's a pic of George Benson in 1969 with a Guild. Not the binding shrinkage in the waist of the body. The guitar wasn't that old at the point - maybe 12-15 years at most?

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Good eye, GG!! Also, I might be mistaken, but it looks like separation in the same place on the opposite side (right by the pickguard stanchion on the treble side, that is).
 

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Here's a pic of George Benson in 1969 with a Guild. Not the binding shrinkage in the waist of the body. The guitar wasn't that old at the point - maybe 12-15 years at most?

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It was a tricky job, but it was well worth it! If you look closely you can see where the 'patches' are.

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Sincerely,

Hans Moust
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Seems like how everything balances out visually would just depend, on a guitar by guitar basis. This one has a lot, but I like it. Terada-Japan made John Lee Hooker 1964 Epiphone Sheraton (from 2000), with Gibson-USA hardware & pickups.

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