Titan, deep water tourism catastrophe confirmed...Titantic

[West R Lee]

Honestly. If the Titanic could be reached safely, they'd already have it up here and made into an amusement park!! Right?? But they can't so they don't. Key word: "safely"

Well, and to be honest Tom, and I don't intend to disparage these folks who died on that thing at all. But as I started to investigate what the forces on the body would be with the immediate exposure to 6000 psi of water pressure, I hesitated, thinking I was simply guilty of morbid curiosity. But then it occurred to me that really, morbid curiosity is what took those people to a cemetery in the sea in the first place.

West

 

[Rocky]

Okay, G. For clarification.... what would "off the rails" entail... i'm kind lost here.

Finger pointing and victim blaming, I would guess.

 

[davismanLV]

Finger pointing and victim blaming, I would guess.

Well it's a sad situation but people are going to conjecture and point fingers. You think no one is to blame?? Seriously?

 

[Rocky]

Well it's a sad situation but people are going to conjecture and point fingers. You think no one is to blame?? Seriously?

I'm sure there's a lot of blame to go around. It's not my job to assign it.

 

[SFIV1967]

I found this article from 2020 interesting.
The older design of Titan had exactly those problems which probably happened now:
"Over the past couple of years, OceanGate spent millions of dollars building a carbon-hulled submersible known as Titan, which the company hoped would be capable of diving to the Titanic. However, validation tests conducted at the Deep Ocean Test Facility in Maryland found signs of fatigue in the hull, resulting in a depth rating that ruled out Titanic trips."
Again, that was reported in 2020 already!

https://www.geekwire.com/2020/oceangate-nasa-teaming-build-better-carbon-fiber-pressure-vessels/

Ralf

 

[Uke]

This really isn't rumor or speculation though GAD, it was all over the news and there are many articles regarding the lawsuit.

The company that sent a tourist submersible to the Titanic wreck has faced safety questions before

A former OceanGate employee was allegedly fired for raising safety issues, and a reporter who rode the vessel last year said there's no emergency contact system.

www.wbur.org

West

Company that owns missing submersible is being sued by Winter Park couple

Marc and Sharon Hagle from Winter Park filed a lawsuit against the CEO of OceanGate months ago.

www.wesh.com

Where there's smoke, there's fire.

 

[fronobulax]

Okay, G. For clarification.... what would "off the rails" entail... i'm kind lost here.

If we identify this tragedy as a problem that should never happen again and then start discussing how to make sure it never happens again we are on our way down a political rabbit hole.

A thread that goes "off the rails" in Modspeak needs some kind of moderator action more extreme than a gentle reminder post - extreme usually meaning closed, deleted, or very heavily edited.

 

[davismanLV]

Oh so it's the political thing. I'm not sure how this could turn political, but people seem to do that these days over much less than this. It's a sad thing.

 

[crank]

Ya know, people gonna be people and if some people want to risk their lives and if some guy thinks a carbon fiber sub can stand the pressure and said people buy what he's selling...well so be it.

The cost of search and rescue is a tough issue and I have strong feeling about that. More so when guys are risking their lives like helos and swimmers out trying to rescue boaters n hurricanes. But that is a whole debate that would be good not to have here.

I'm not at all glad it happened, but, I'm glad it happened fast and they weren't sitting on the bottom in the cold and dark slowly running out of air.

 

[Boneman]

I wasn’t following it much, I mean come on, it’s four rich dudes and one guy’s son, and the chief officer with a cavalier attitude about the risk, seriously, how is that important or useful information in my life? I’d have predicted they didn’t make it back had I heard about it prior. Then only to see it on LTG is like ugh, guess I should comment too now lol. I think it’s more sad hundreds times more poor people died in the Mediterranean trying to get to a better life and no one gives two poops. And they died horrible drowning deaths, not imploded in an instant only hearing the hull crack milliseconds before poof. That’s these modern times, too many rich people with nothing better to do with their money, too much information too instantaneously, and a sad commentary on current civilization imo.

 

[davismanLV]

Ya know, people gonna be people and if some people want to risk their lives and if some guy thinks a carbon fiber sub can stand the pressure and said people buy what he's selling...well so be it.

This ^^^ right here. Sad that lives were lost but when you take these huge risks, there's always that chance. You know what they say, "A fool and his money (and life) are....."

 

[silverfox103]

I agree with the sentiment on this forum. I am sorry for the loss of life, cut short, especially the young boy and for the families.

Like has been said, everything comes with a risk and that was risky. And I might add, at a quarter of a mil, more money than brains. I'm guessing the line waiting for the next ride, is quite a bit shorter.

RIP

Tom

 

[Guildedagain]

My hull shows signs of fatigue.

 

[SFIV1967]

I'm guessing the line waiting for the next ride, is quite a bit shorter.

Look how many people die climbing Mt. Everest. As of November 2022, 310 people have died while attempting to climb Mount Everest since 1924.

The 2023 death toll on Everest has already reached double digits—with multiple people still missing. And the climbing season isn’t over yet...
Everest’s deadliest season so far happened in 2014 when 16 climbers died.

Depending on which guide company you use, a Mount Everest expedition will cost you anywhere up to $100,000 or even more !!!
And still approximately 800 people attempt to climb Everest annually!

So I heavily doubt lines are getting shorter due to deadly accidents...

Ralf

 

[Uke]

I worked with a nurse a few years back who loved skydiving. He eventually left his job to move to Alaska to be a bush-pilot-flown nurse. In a conversation with him before he left he said outright that he was just plain addicted to adrenaline, and articulated a pretty good grasp of the chemistry of it all (which I didn't/couldn't follow). I think this craving for adrenaline may be part of why some folks wait in line for very dicey rides both up high and down deep.

 

[GGJaguar]

I think this craving for adrenaline may be part of why some folks wait in line for very dicey rides both up high and down deep.

Or checking Reverb and eBay everyday hoping to find a holy grail guitar or even a cheap thrill like Guild a key chain.

 

[Cougar]

However, validation tests conducted at the Deep Ocean Test Facility in Maryland found signs of fatigue in the hull, resulting in a depth rating that ruled out Titanic trips."

Yeah, first thing my structural engineer wife mentioned: "Hey, there must be testing labs for this sort of thing where they can test the structural integrity without putting people's lives at risk." Yep. So this craft didn't have a depth rating for a Titanic "trip," and everybody said "Ah, what the hell, let's try it anyway."?

 

[Boneman]

So this craft didn't have a depth rating for a Titanic "trip," and everybody said "Ah, what the hell, let's try it anyway."?

Yea exactly, that’s why I have no sympathy for stupidity.

 

[SFIV1967]

So this craft didn't have a depth rating for a Titanic "trip," and everybody said "Ah, what the hell, let's try it anyway."?

You didn't read my entire message or the attached link, I said it was "the older design", which never went to Titanic therefore. After those 2020 tests two new 6,000-meter-class submersibles were built. Nevertheless they also had no official certification...
Ralf