Titan, deep water tourism catastrophe confirmed...Titantic

[GAD]

lots of rumours flying. while i'm sure they are all essentially true, not my place to share what is not confirmed.

Lets all please abide by this wisdom.

 

[mavuser]

You could buy a lot of guitars for $250,000.

West

if i had to pick between a (safe) submarine joyride/Titanic drive by, and a 1970 Guild S-100, for $1,500...I would take the S-100

 

[Rocky]

Not to sound insensitive Jim, but those were my thoughts exactly. And I guess that if you have to go, there are far worse ways for that to happen. They never knew what hit them.

Yep. Fortunately, if that is what happened, they probably didn't even have time to process what happened. Which sounds infinitely better than being trapped in that can, waiting for the air to run out.

As Billy Pilgrim says, "So it goes."

 

[mavuser]

You could buy a lot of guitars for $250,000.

West

u could get 7 or 8 nice ones from Rudy's Music in Soho for 250,000 haa

 

[West R Lee]

This really isn't rumor or speculation though GAD, it was all over the news and there are many articles regarding the lawsuit.

The company that sent a tourist submersible to the Titanic wreck has faced safety questions before

A former OceanGate employee was allegedly fired for raising safety issues, and a reporter who rode the vessel last year said there's no emergency contact system.

www.wbur.org

West

 

[GAD]

This really isn't rumor or speculation though GAD, it was all over the news and there are many articles regarding the lawsuit.

The company that sent a tourist submersible to the Titanic wreck has faced safety questions before

A former OceanGate employee was allegedly fired for raising safety issues, and a reporter who rode the vessel last year said there's no emergency contact system.

www.wbur.org

West

Sorry - I wasn't referencing you specifically. It was just a note to try and keep the thread from going off the rails.

 

[Westerly Wood]

if i had to pick between a (safe) submarine joyride/Titanic drive by, and a 1970 Guild S-100, for $1,500...I would take the S-100

Plus, I seen the movie.

 

[awagner]

There actually was a lawsuit, brought by one of their engineers who kept bringing the structural integrity of the vessel to light, and he was eventually terminated. But again, they knew the risks, or should have known. There was a long discussion of the "waivers" they sign to board the thing. Apparently, "implosion" was mentioned in that waiver.

West

With or without the waivers, there is also the legal concept of “assumption of risk.” The surviving families likely have no claim against the company.

And regardless of what one thinks about the possible safety shortcuts employed, the company’s founder was on the sub, so he had skin in the game.

 

[Westerly Wood]

With or without the waivers, there is also the legal concept of “assumption of risk.” The surviving families likely have no claim against the company.

And regardless of what one thinks about the possible safety shortcuts employed, the company’s founder was on the sub, so he had skin in the game.

Still, I wonder what precautions or extra build strength he chose to forgo vs cost. And why?

 

[awagner]

Still, I wonder what precautions or extra build strength he chose to forgo vs cost. And why?

The sub was not “classed,” which would have required years of testing, approvals and red tape, which is inconsistent with innovation, or so the argument goes.

Obviously, the use of titanium and carbon fiber was thought to be better than conventional materials, and the sub was successful on over 200 prior dives. Until it wasn’t.

 

[West R Lee]

With or without the waivers, there is also the legal concept of “assumption of risk.” The surviving families likely have no claim against the company.

And regardless of what one thinks about the possible safety shortcuts employed, the company’s founder was on the sub, so he had skin in the game.

Oh, I wouldn't think so either. If the do, they shouldn't. These folks should have understood how dangerous.

West

 

[twocorgis]

With or without the waivers, there is also the legal concept of “assumption of risk.” The surviving families likely have no claim against the company.

Indeed. That's the only thing that keeps ski resorts in business.

 

[West R Lee]

Still, I wonder what precautions or extra build strength he chose to forgo vs cost. And why?

A couple of things they've been discussing Wood. First of all, they interviewed an oceanographer who'd visited the Titanic 25 or 30 times. One of the passengers onboard was a good friend of his. He said the sub he rode to the Titanic in was spherical, and apparently most or all that venture to that great depth are. Balls are capable of withstanding more pressure than cylinders. The other issue discussed is that most of these things are built of titanium, but this one was carbon composite........AND essentially cylindrical.



West

 

[Westerly Wood]

A couple of things they've been discussing Wood. First of all, they interviewed an oceanographer who'd visited the Titanic 25 or 30 times. One of the passengers onboard was a good friend of his. He said the sub he rode to the Titanic in was spherical, and apparently most or all that venture to that great depth are. Balls are capable of withstanding more pressure than cylinders. The other issue discussed is that most of these things are built of titanium, but this one was carbon composite........AND essentially cylindrical.

West

Sounds like it was just a matter of time, West. Before the cylinder imploded. Seems like they got complacent.

 

[West R Lee]

Sounds like it was just a matter of time, West. Before the cylinder imploded. Seems like they got complacent.

Well, they aired several previous interviews with the CEO of the tour company, and I'll admit that he said several things on camera that would have raised my eyebrows before I got in that thing. Almost like he was putting safety on the back burner. Several "red flags" in my opinion.

Watch this.





West

 

[davismanLV]

Yeah, I'm sorry and all. It's sad. But decisions of this magnitude are mind boggling. Did y'all see the head of the corp. say.... "Safety is overrated, if you wanna be safe just stay in bed." or something along those lines. The guy that was their initial person involved just resigned. Too dangerous.

So if you wanna go hang out in a forest with bears and have a picnic.... that's fine. But don't look to me for sympathy. That poor kid. His dad said, "This is an adventure you're gonna remember for your lifetime!!" Uh huh. Sad his lifetime was so short. At $250,000 a pop!! Jeeze.... so awful.

 

[Minnesota Flats]

I guess that what I don't get is this: with the high quality of video of Titanic that has likely already been captured by robotic devices by now, why would you do something so dangerous to get what probably would amount to an inferior look at the thing?

I would never have considered it even if they'd offered to pay me since I'm extremely claustrophobic.

 

[West R Lee]

I guess that what I don't get is this: with the high quality of video of Titanic that has likely already been captured by robotic devices by now, why would you do something so dangerous to get what probably would amount to an inferior look at the thing?

I would never have considered it even if they'd offered to pay me since I'm extremely claustrophobic.

I had considered that as well Flats. If I'm not mistaken, the only viewing was out the port hole/viewing window at the front. It was said in one interview that the occupant's hot breath on that cold vessel skin created large amounts of condensation inside. With one fogged up port hole, how much could they see from this thing anyway?

And the guy who worked for that tour company and filed the lawsuit, was citing that very port hole as another big design flaw. He said it wasn't tested or designed to withstand the pressure.

When you're retired and it's almost 100 degrees outside, you can watch and read this stuff.

West

 

[davismanLV]

Sorry - I wasn't referencing you specifically. It was just a note to try and keep the thread from going off the rails.

Okay, G. For clarification.... what would "off the rails" entail... i'm kind lost here.

 

[davismanLV]

Honestly. If the Titanic could be reached safely, they'd already have it up here and made into an amusement park!! Right?? But they can't so they don't. Key word: "safely"