Westerly Collection Disappearing?
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^ Agreed. Supply chain and JIT manufacturing. Thanks for that, Bob.
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Well, I try not to complain about CMG, as I am not helping them keep the brand alive. So I don’t think I deserve to bemoan their decisions. Just speaking for myself here, of course. I am glad they bought Guild and invested at all in keeping the brand alive. My guess is the electrics are what are profitable vs the acoustics. But not sure if that’s true. But would they have the capital to invest in custom shop builds? I doubt it.^ I'm just wondering if this is where it's headed, Woody. It seems to make sense to me. What doesn't make sense is making the various trim levels unavailable if it means sales... The reason I say this is because the Oxnard products are Guild's premium stuff, and people want what they want! Many guitar players I know are VERY picky.
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Great info in the video, Bob! Thanks for that. Did anyone else have a hard time following the narrators sing-songy style of speech combined with quite a bit of speed? That sing-songy style is terribly difficult to follow for me. A lot of information is presented, however.
I didn't notice, Tom, but it's possible that it was time compressed.
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I talking about the USA F30’s and F40’s heck even the F47 .
Ha! Yes, I thought the same thing! 20 minutes of that was plenty!
Possibly, but the "sing-songy-ness" seemed to be the narrator's style. I hear a lot of presentations, that seemed to be purposeful. Very pronounced words, etc.
Whatever the narrator did, the video itself was very interesting! Great link, Bob!
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The thing is there’s a back log we know that but guitars are coming through . I was told months for my ibenaz but it came in two weeks later . Some models from whoever are out of stock but not out of production .
Maybe These models from Guild are just doing things differently and pausing production until things pick up instead of getting some here and there and focusing on the better movers . Just a thought .
yeah the narrator was annoying on the vid but it didn’t really tell me anything that wasn’t obvious .
But one thing was yeah , some weird drink overseas was available there but can that relate to production such as guitars other products ? There had to be a reduction of production due illnesses lock down etc ; other then inventory stuck on boats and not getting enough shipping containers back . But that’s just me . Lol
Maybe These models from Guild are just doing things differently and pausing production until things pick up instead of getting some here and there and focusing on the better movers . Just a thought .
yeah the narrator was annoying on the vid but it didn’t really tell me anything that wasn’t obvious .
But one thing was yeah , some weird drink overseas was available there but can that relate to production such as guitars other products ? There had to be a reduction of production due illnesses lock down etc ; other then inventory stuck on boats and not getting enough shipping containers back . But that’s just me . Lol
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Only the F30's an OM.
Remember there is NO SLOT for 16" F-bodies (F40, F47) In CMG's model number system, my single biggest gripe with 'em.
'At's why we now have a 17" body F40...grrrr.........
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They probably would start using the Taylor Guitars term of GA (Grand Auditorium) for it!
. So your dream F-40 now would be a GA-40 ! Ralf
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They're already doing it with GSR's, and the plant was set up to be able to accommodate that, so "Custom Shop" doesnt' need capti
They probably would start using the Taylor Guitars term of GA (Grand Auditorium) for it!
Ralf
Who was that fellow who said: "A rose by any other name would still smell as sweet" ?
BTW tried a shortscale rosewood GA Taylor in Guitar Showcase a couple years back, just to see if I was barking up the right tree when I decided maybe I wanted an F47R/GF60 type body with a shortscale, what I could hear was "OK" but drowned out by 2 guys working out the just-received Acoustasonic Teles.
Didn't light me up enough to go try it again at a different time though.
If there is one Guild electric I would love to have it would be a simple vintage SFII
It would be nice if they'd bring Starfire production back to the US, but they're knocking out so many nice ones in Korea at marketable prices.
It would be nice if they'd bring Starfire production back to the US, but they're knocking out so many nice ones in Korea at marketable prices.
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Seems I recall w-a-a-y back while Oxnard was being tooled up that there was a comment that high-end electric production was seen as a potential future option. Got the impression they meant "really high end" or limited editions, though.
Give their activity with GSR flattops, I think that's still a definite possibility.
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When the NH folks talked about a Custom Shop or "build your own" choosing from a predefined list of features they gave a couple of reasons why it hadn't happened yet. One was acceptance of pre-build logistics. They didn't have a system that allowed an order taker to confirm there was wood for a koa top in stock and then reserve it for the order once it was accepted. One was manufacturing and scheduling. There were economies of scale in reducing the time the CNC machines had to be reprogrammed and other tools reconfigured. It would be worth it to build certain parts for custom builds in batches but they had no easily way to plan. They also needed a way to track a build through manufacturing to completion. Lastly shutting down the production line to make specials had financial consequences.
None of these are especially difficult but implementing them would require people and money. The NH folks thought of it as an expensive distraction at the time although everyone wanted to be able to do it in the future.
The key difference between GSR and true custom shop is that the factory gets to choose the quantity and features of a GSR run and choose the most cost effective options. As an example a GSR run in a non transparent finish would be a good way to use tops that were cosmetically less interesting but already paid for.
When I said "custom shop" before I was referring to doing small tweaks to the existing products. GSRs have usually been to satisfy dealer requests for more than one piece all done the same. Anyway, I'll be interested to see what they do to avoid losing long-term Guild fans by cancelling models.
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That first reply was posted in error, obviously an unfinished sentence, Only meant to answer Ralf's question, missed that it added it to my previously abandoned post.
Original point was gonna be that I was sure investment capital wasn't a problem, realized it was half-baked and perhaps not actually correct. Decided to just let it die on the vine because I get tired of posting so I can delete because the "delete draft" function via the floppy disc icon never worked for me.
Right-o, re GSR's being planned from the factory vs Custom builds being user-request driven, but by the same token Custom builds were traditionally vetted for feasibility before order was accepted so checking inventory would be part of the process.
Also thought Oxnard was set up with that future potential in mind, why I originally suspected capital availability wasn't the real issue, and shutting down some part of production to build a custom wouldn't be an issue either.
Then decided I didn't feel like searching old threads to confirm that memory, it isn't important enough to me.
The real bottom line is, if they ever decide to accept custom orders, they'll tell "us" (generic sense).
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adorshki
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They could open a Custom Shop in that empty shed out back.
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Well leaving them out is another jacka_ _ move . Just saying .
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Been saying that for years. Welcome to the club.Well leaving them out is another jacka_ _ move . Just saying .
And I don't think they were even aware they left 'em out, I think they just looked at the MIC line and created a model number chart without checking to see if all the body shapes Guild offered had been accounted for.