Taylor double-compensated 12 string saddle

[Nuuska]

This is so unfair

First it takes me ages getting used to Rayk's talk - after realizing he is not lunatic - I start liking the way he writes - and now when I REALLY LOVE that Rayk's talk . . . . . what happens

He starts writing like a human being - so unfair

The present Rayk must be an imposter - we need The Good Old Rayk back.


Please

 

[12 string]

Post 17 in this thread has some pretty good Raykspeak in it...

 

[Rayk]

This is so unfair

First it takes me ages getting used to Rayk's talk - after realizing he is not lunatic - I start liking the way he writes - and now when I REALLY LOVE that Rayk's talk . . . . . what happens

He starts writing like a human being - so unfair

The present Rayk must be an imposter - we need The Good Old Rayk back.


Please

It’s still me lol I think those memory aid pills are working . Basically Ray speak is my fingers not keeping up with the words that spew across the screen in my head . That and the fact that I don’t have that time delay before it airs to tell me Hey ! Backup ! You change the wording directing , again ! Go back and fix it ! Lol

I’d like to go back because you miss the Ray speak but I am unable to go back and forth at will . Don’t ask me why ? Lol

All beats are off if I’m partaking of the drink ! Lmao

 

[Nuuska]

All good Ray - it was fun as long it lasted - no matter what - I still carefully read what you have to say

 

[Rayk]

All good Ray - it was fun as long it lasted - no matter what - I still carefully read what you have to say

Stay tuned when I retire 7 yrs from now it can come back stronger then ever ! Lol

 

[Rayk]

Going over some the replies and posts it made me think , hang on need to get a Advil . Lol

So thinking about intonation, I have had really bad guitars those get gone fast . I don’t really recall having a bunch of intonation issues .

Now this is playing in standard tuning . In open tunings all bets are off because even with a compensated saddle once you detune you’ll lose intonation .

Now with that said I remember reading articles ( dang those memories pills the take the fun out everything ! ) so basically in a nut shell you deal with intonation by tuning a bit sharp here or flat there so when you get to let’s say I higher chord in the price range every thing sounds right .

Having the tuning a bit off actually sounds good or right . Perfect intonation along the whole fretboard would sound off just by its nature If that makes sense.

Thinking about my Blueridge 283A I replace the saddle with FWI . It’s a through saddle and I was going to
Compensate it but after testing it and the original non compensated saddle the intonation was spot on .

My Blueridge 12 string I never tested and only played one day it was very impressive and nothing caught me ear as it having intonation issues . As I mentioned in a prior post maybe there was but that would only be in the open tuning areas of play .

I’m not arguing against all the compensated work what ever floats one’s boat . But I can’t help and wonder if it’s off in standard we should be allowed to flog the builders of said guitars for not functioning correctly from the get go ! Lmao

Off with their heads ! Bring forth the comfy cushion!!!

 

[rmoretti49]

I posted my original query on the AGF, and received a response from someone who had installed the Taylor double-compensated saddle on a Guild, successfully. He didn't name the model, but did say the Taylor saddle was a little shorter.

 

[maxr]

I posted my original query on the AGF, and received a response from someone who had installed the Taylor double-compensated saddle on a Guild, successfully. He didn't name the model, but did say the Taylor saddle was a little shorter.

I've bought a Taylor double compensated saddle as a spare for the custom compensated one on my JF30-12. The Taylor one I got appears to be the same length as the original/previous one, but I think it's maybe 0.5mm wider front to back. I think you'd want to be sure which side of the saddle slot (or centre) to cut before you routed it out to fit. I guess cutting it 0.5mm the wrong way (ie possibly up to 1mm from where it should be) would make an audible difference to the tuning. The tech who did the custom saddle for me appears to have a technique for cutting the base of a wide saddle straight up and down to fit a narrower slot (dunno how), I guess that would do it.

Are we getting into the realms of "Shut up and play your guitar son", do you think

 

[rmoretti49]

I've bought a Taylor double compensated saddle as a spare for the custom compensated one on my JF30-12. The Taylor one I got appears to be the same length as the original/previous one, but I think it's maybe 0.5mm wider front to back. I think you'd want to be sure which side of the saddle slot (or centre) to cut before you routed it out to fit. I guess cutting it 0.5mm the wrong way (ie possibly up to 1mm from where it should be) would make an audible difference to the tuning. The tech who did the custom saddle for me appears to have a technique for cutting the base of a wide saddle straight up and down to fit a narrower slot (dunno how), I guess that would do it.

Are we getting into the realms of "Shut up and play your guitar son", do you think

Actually, this is very helpful information. Especially the part about how the saddle thickness can be handled.

While I am Interested in improved intonation, that is not the main reason why I am Interested in the Taylor double compensated saddle. I am mostly interested in the way the Taylor saddle compensates for string height, placing the tops of all the strings on one even plane.

 

[maxr]

Actually, this is very helpful information. Especially the part about how the saddle thickness can be handled.

While I am Interested in improved intonation, that is not the main reason why I am Interested in the Taylor double compensated saddle. I am mostly interested in the way the Taylor saddle compensates for string height, placing the tops of all the strings on one even plane.

Here are two not very good photos of my Taylor saddle (tap pics if you can only see a portion). It's about 3mm front to back. It looks to me like the bottoms of each pair of strings would be on the same plane - so long as your pairs aren't too widely spaced, in which case one string of an octave pair might fall off the 'hump'. I'd say the tops of all strings on this one aren't on an even plane, or by the look of it an even curve?