Any opinions about the A25 or A50?

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What Frono said - Guild has changed hands a lot and the company today is not a good resource for older models. The neck block may say 1995 but according to the online source they were finished in 1996. However, Hans is the best source.

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The A50 flat top being similar to but just slightly smaller in size than the F30R does not produce a lot of volume compared to a dread. It does however have a rich, warm tone. With the wider neck it is a very nice choice for fingerstyle but I give the edge to the F30’s for strumming.
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Thanks Cvb. Yeah, that looks real clean. Like I said if you decide it isn’t for you I’m your Huckleberry.
 

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Thanks Cvb. Yeah, that looks real clean. Like I said if you decide it isn’t for you I’m your Huckleberry.
Haha. Will do. Oh, by the way, I just put a temp L. R. Baggs M1 pickup in the soundhole and it really raised the tone to a new level for me. Beautiful sound. Even if I don’t sell it, I think it would be great for anyone electrified, especially if playing with small group. Ok, did not mean to berate the subject. Later.
 
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Cvb, that's really a beautiful specimen. Let us know what you hear back from Hans, but that serial number could mean it was the first production A-50. Not that it means anything for value, but that would be cool.

Also, interesting story about the warehousing of those guitars. Are/were there other Guilds stashed away there?

Boy, I really had this wrong. That A-50 is not even remotely related to the Madeira A-20 that Marley had. Sorry about that, Cvb!
 

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Cvb, that's really a beautiful specimen. Let us know what you hear back from Hans, but that serial number could mean it was the first production A-50. Not that it means anything for value, but that would be cool.

Also, interesting story about the warehousing of those guitars. Are/were there other Guilds stashed away there?

Boy, I really had this wrong. That A-50 is not even remotely related to the Madeira A-20 that Marley had. Sorry about that, Cvb!
Hi Chazmo. I’m learning every day. Always liked guild. Yes, there were 27 guitars sold/given, not sure, to Sam Ashe Richmond, Va. look online. All different types. Not all Guilds. Mostly acoustics. Some 12 strings, a Rickenbacker 12, a nylon Chet Atkins electric, several Guild basses and several 6 strings from guild. I will keep posted if I hear anything. There should be more coming in this week sometime, not sure when.
 

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the general opinion in the factory is that they were crap.

i never saw a good one.
Hi. I just bought the first production model used ser. AD500001. I have received a lot of info about my A50 and most replies are positive. I have a very positive opinion about mine. It was made in 1995 and is in excellent condition. Someone said they thought they were overbuilt.
if you could elaborate some one why you think they are not so good, I would appreciate it. It would be good to hear from an insider. I saw a good amount of extra glue and it has been said if you do, it could show the lack of concern with care taken in other things. However, it’s about 27 years old and looks and plays like a champ. Some of the best resonance and tone I think I have heard in a guitar. Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.
Cary
 

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Hi. I just bought the first production model used ser. AD500001. I have received a lot of info about my A50 and most replies are positive. I have a very positive opinion about mine. It was made in 1995 and is in excellent condition. Someone said they thought they were overbuilt.
if you could elaborate some one why you think they are not so good, I would appreciate it. It would be good to hear from an insider. I saw a good amount of extra glue and it has been said if you do, it could show the lack of concern with care taken in other things. However, it’s about 27 years old and looks and plays like a champ. Some of the best resonance and tone I think I have heard in a guitar. Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.
Cary
Part of the Waterloo guitars vibe is the intentional glue squeeze out to emulate factory guitars.

In Guild's case, I don't think it's an uncommon thing on their lower and mid-priced guitars. Both DCE1s I've owned had lots of extra glue. Both sound(ed) great though!
 

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Part of the Waterloo guitars vibe is the intentional glue squeeze out to emulate factory guitars.

In Guild's case, I don't think it's an uncommon thing on their lower and mid-priced guitars. Both DCE1s I've owned had lots of extra glue. Both sound(ed) great though!
Thanks Plaid. Good to know.
Cary
 

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Hi. I just bought the first production model used ser. AD500001.
Not to be That Guy but I'd be careful about the conclusions you draw from serial numbers. Serial 001 does not mean it is the first of the model. It can mean it was the first of that model after serial number schemes were changed. If you just gave me the prefix AD and "the 90's" I would not expect it on an A25 or A50. So there is definitely a story behind AD500001 but that story is not, IMO, that the serial corresponds to the first A25 or A50.
 

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Thanks Frono. Actually, I believe it was Chris from guild that told me the AD was Wrong. It should be AF. The first no’s. Known seem to start in 96 with AF500079 if I’m not mistaken and there is an n/a under 95.
 
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Hi. I just bought the first production model used ser. AD500001. I have received a lot of info about my A50 and most replies are positive. I have a very positive opinion about mine. It was made in 1995 and is in excellent condition. Someone said they thought they were overbuilt.
if you could elaborate some one why you think they are not so good, I would appreciate it. It would be good to hear from an insider. I saw a good amount of extra glue and it has been said if you do, it could show the lack of concern with care taken in other things. However, it’s about 27 years old and looks and plays like a champ. Some of the best resonance and tone I think I have heard in a guitar. Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.
Cary

Hi Cary, I see you’ve been asking about your A50 in several threads recently. What is it that you want to know - is it more valuable based on the low serial number, what is means by the overbuilt comments, other people’s opinion about whether it is a good model guitar?

I did a review of my “opinion” when I bought mine three years ago and also did a comparison vs a NH F30R Std. Mine is also a first year (#74) so should compare similarly to yours.


I showed pictures of the inner bracing which was much thicker compared than the NH F30. This and heavier construction all around was somewhat typical of Westerly built guitars, which are by and large terrific guitars but often built like a tank. Perhaps some of the negative opinions were based on a belief that a heavy build on such a small body guitar would deaden the sound or responsiveness. I certainly didn’t find it true of mine but some others might have speculated or observed that problem.

I did find my A50 darker in tone than the F30, which is an all around more versatile guitar IMHO. It is not a “typical” fundamental Guild type of tone and perhaps that was a turn off to some. I do however love the tone of mine a lot for certain uses. Mine excels at finger style and slow melodies where the overtones don’t get a chance to build up and muddy things too much. It’s not great for hard or fast strumming. It is a very fine guitar for what it does, though is not a do-it-all kind of guitar like many Guild models can be. Perhaps that is another reason why some people don’t care for it. So be it, I like it!

Another reason for some negativity is the wide 1-13/16 inch neck that may make chording difficult for those who prefer a moderate neck width. I happen to find it a benefit, especially for what it was designed to do.

As for what it’s worth, value to most is based on cosmetic and structural condition and how it sounds. Don’t go by s/n alone. In fact sometimes a low s/n is not a good thing unless you are talking about highly collectible models. There have been several prototypes and very early numbered guitars talked about here. Sometimes they are good sometimes they are not. Sometimes in later renditions an unexpected early design flaw was improved upon. I had one high end custom which some called a prototype of the GSR series that I found nice but didn’t measure up in sound and dynamics to the later production release.

Occasionally a model or line might have a bad reputation, but there are always exceptions. Take the Contemporary Series for example. As a whole the series is known to have had serious design flaws which caused problems with many that were produced. Because of that they often sell for relatively less than other counterparts of the same era. However when you find a good one, such as the cedar top refurbished one I have, they are outstanding guitars but perhaps not a do-it all model either.

If it plays good, sounds good and is structurally sound that is all that matters. Don’t worry about opinions of other people who have not played your particular guitar. From what you’ve been telling us, you like how yours plays and sounds and it clearly looks super, so that is all that should matter. You found a good one, enjoy it!
 
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I've always liked the A50 looks. Reminded me of a boutique guitar with the pretty snowflake fret markers and slightly different shape and size.
 

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Thanks Frono. Actually, I believe it was Chris from guild that told me the AD was Wrong. It should be AF. The first no’s. Known seem to start in 96 with AF500079 if I’m not mistaken and there is an n/a under 95.

We have seen typos on labels and mis-stamped headstocks. I wonder if Chris from Guild has any basis for the statement besides just looking at serial number charts? It might be fun to hear what Hans says. There are lots of possibilities including the chance that the neck was not originally intended for an A50 or that the neck was made so early in the model's history that they hadn't decided to use an AF prefix yet.
 

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I've played three A-25 and didn't much care for them. I've played on A-50 and love it. I bought in new on December 13, 1995. Serial number shows it's the 3rd one.

Here's a picture of her with the rest of the Guild family.
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It's a fine fingerpicking guitar, but not what I'd choose for strumming. Not as open as say a Martin OM or 000, but very balanced. A nice dry tone that I really like. It's my "just for me" guitar so it's not been out of the house much, and I've not had the chance to A/B it with many guitars. But back in 1995 I kept going back and forth between two stores comparing the A-50 to an OM-something that was very tempting. The Martin had a certain understated elegance to the sound (and apperance come to think of it) the Guild lacked, but the Guild had so much more personal character.


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Wow, I owned a Guild A-50 for a while and it did not look like any of those:


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I believe the A prefix originally meant Archtop.
 

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Wow, I owned a Guild A-50 for a while and it did not look like any of those:


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Unfortunately Guild used the same model number for two completely different guitars - one a flat top parlor size acoustic with a round sound hole, and the other a jazz box with f-holes.
 

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[ . . .; ] Someone said they thought they were overbuilt.
if you could elaborate some one why you think they are not so good, I would appreciate it. It would be good to hear from an insider. I saw a good amount of extra glue and it has been said if you do, it could show the lack of concern with care taken in other things. However, it’s about 27 years old and looks and plays like a champ. Some of the best resonance and tone I think I have heard in a guitar. Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.
Cary
Cary,

The man quoted with the comment was Charlie Lavallee, who was an employee at the Westerly shop at the time your guitar was built. Unfortunately, Charlie passed a few years ago (RIP, WorkedInWesterly) and we can't ask him about the details of his thoughts on the A series. So, you were hearing from an "insider" but sadly you can't get more info from him about it. :(

@hideglue did you have any thoughts on the A-50?
 

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I've always liked the A50 looks. Reminded me of a boutique guitar with the pretty snowflake fret markers and slightly different shape and size.
Looking at the pictures again...it kinda reminds me of an Orph Orchestra....not same size I realize but the shape.

And I remember too I really like the abalone rosette.

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Hey guys. I set out to find out more about the A50 acoustic, but could not find much. Everyone knows about Martins…D, om, etc, but this seemed to be a unique animal.
Since I started, a lot of you have come up with great info and I am very appreciative of it.
I am sorry to hear that Charlie Lavallee has passed on. I would have been very interested in his opinion.
I ordered a D40 Guild from Sweetwater and ended up returning it. I just did not like the vibe I got with it and it was satin finish. I like glossy better. Also, the g string tuning key was almost frozen on it. Just a lot I did not care for. I also purchased and returned a yamaha that was one of only 75 made. It was solid all wood Koa. Top, bottom and sides. It cost $1800 and I saw them for much less. I also tried to dig into the past on that one also. This one seems to really rock my boat with the beautiful tone and resonance. Makes me feel at one with the guitar. The price was right and I don’t feel cheated. Guess I am getting more cautious as I get older. Also, as was said, there is an A50 electric Guild also. Curiosity is strong sometimes.
anyway, I feel I found a bunch of friends and fellow guitar enthusiasts on this site and I thank each of you for your help. I found all the answers I was looking for I believe. If I find another strange gem, I will be asking more questions I’m sure.
Happy playing guys,
Cary
 
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