Anyone using cellular for home/office internet?

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OK, new question for everyone following my little odyssey here...

I have about 10 years of email stored with my cable internet service provider (Charter -> Spectrum). Looks like about 5GiB. What (if anything) would you recommend for me to archive or save that mail? I have plenty of disk space available for local storage of the data.

Before you ask, I have not called Spectrum yet, but there doesn't seem to be any way on their website to do some sort of download. Not sure. Also, most/all of it has also been fetched via pop by my gmail account, so it's all online through gmail...

Should I bother doing anything? I've started notifying my peeps that the old address will disappear soon...

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Are you using POP or IMAP for your email?
POP, GAD. I have had my gmail account set up to use POP with the Charter/Spectrum mail server. Gmail has been grabbing all the incoming mail from Charter and putting it into Gmail for me for a long, long time. :)
 

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Assuming your provider is using a proper Unix server for email and not some trashy Exchange thing, all of your email is stored in files in your home directory, and they're all text based. This means that the person with the clue (there's usually one) at your ISP can literally zip them all up and send you (or post where you can download) the file. As for reading them with your email client, that's slightly more complicated.

Now, if both ISPs are using a proper Unix system for email, then it's quite possible to just use a tool called Rsync to move all your archived mail to the new server. Whether or not you'll get the the person with the clue at at one ISP to talk to the person with the clue at the other ISP is another matter. If, but some miracle here in "the future" that is 2023 you have Unix shell access to your accounts I can walk you through how to do this.

Source: I used to be the Network Engineering Manager at an ISP and was the backup manager for 100+ Unix systems.
 

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POP, GAD. I have had my gmail account set up to use POP with the Charter/Spectrum mail server. Gmail has been grabbing all the incoming mail from Charter and putting it into Gmail for me for a long, long time. :)

If you're running POP then all your mail is already on your PC.
 

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Oh wait you're using Gmail...

Are you using Outlook or another email client or just the Gmail webpage?
 

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GAD, are you referring to Apple's mail program? I haven't hooked that up to the Charter server(s), but I could. It's Gmail that does POP from Charter right now, so (I think) everything's in Google's cloud, not my PC. Am I wrong?
If you're running POP then all your mail is already on your PC.
 

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Haha, we're cross-talking.... You've got it now. I just use the Gmail web page all the time to access my mail from all my devices.
 

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GAD, are you referring to Apple's mail program? I haven't hooked that up to the Charter server(s), but I could. It's Gmail that does POP from Charter right now, so (I think) everything's in Google's cloud, not my PC. Am I wrong?
Let's move this to PM so everyone doesn't have to watch. :)
 

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Hi gang,

So, I shut off cable about 2 weeks ago and have been running my house perfectly well with the T-Mobile cellular home internet. No noticeable difference to me after running my house over it, and the internet speeds are on a par (slightly better, actually) than I had with cable. If there's any particular latency issues with this setup, it's not a problem for me as I'm not running any TCP connections to machines in remote computer labs anymore since my retirement from tech.

I'm delighted, and I'm saving quite a bit of money!

Anyway, if, like me, you have been using your cable provider's email services for ages, you need to make sure you change all the contact information on all the web sites that you use to use a new/other email address for you. That's a tedious, tedious chore! They all have the old email address to contact you, and in some cases they even have that email address as your login name. (those don't need to change, necessarily, but make sure you write down somewhere what it is).

So, the rub is that in many cases you need your old email address to be working so that you can make the change to a new address! My old cable company hasn't cut off my email yet, but I really should've done this before cancelling. Anyway, gang, forewarned is forearmed! It's painful, but if you don't make those changes you will likely lose control of some of your web site accounts. I have about 50 of them out there, some of which I'm orphaning, but most have to come with me.
 

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Hi gang,

So, I shut off cable about 2 weeks ago and have been running my house perfectly well with the T-Mobile cellular home internet. No noticeable difference to me after running my house over it, and the internet speeds are on a par (slightly better, actually) than I had with cable. If there's any particular latency issues with this setup, it's not a problem for me as I'm not running any TCP connections to machines in remote computer labs anymore since my retirement from tech.

I'm delighted, and I'm saving quite a bit of money!

Anyway, if, like me, you have been using your cable provider's email services for ages, you need to make sure you change all the contact information on all the web sites that you use to use a new/other email address for you. That's a tedious, tedious chore! They all have the old email address to contact you, and in some cases they even have that email address as your login name. (those don't need to change, necessarily, but make sure you write down somewhere what it is).

So, the rub is that in many cases you need your old email address to be working so that you can make the change to a new address! My old cable company hasn't cut off my email yet, but I really should've done this before cancelling. Anyway, gang, forewarned is forearmed! It's painful, but if you don't make those changes you will likely lose control of some of your web site accounts. I have about 50 of them out there, some of which I'm orphaning, but most have to come with me.

I really appreciate you starting this thread. I'm considering checking into cellular internet. I don't have cable, though, since it hasn't yet gotten out to our area.

I have internet through the phone company, two lines of 20 stacked for a speed of 40 - the best we can do out here.

Ours has been out a few days on a couple of occasions recently due to cable cuts. If no one is cutting cables it goes out on its own and we have to reboot the modem. I'm wondering if cellular could do better.

What cellular speed are you getting? I am going to guess that it's way better than 40!
 

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I really appreciate you starting this thread. I'm considering checking into cellular internet. I don't have cable, though, since it hasn't yet gotten out to our area.

I have internet through the phone company, two lines of 20 stacked for a speed of 40 - the best we can do out here.

Ours has been out a few days on a couple of occasions recently due to cable cuts. If no one is cutting cables it goes out on its own and we have to reboot the modem. I'm wondering if cellular could do better.

What cellular speed are you getting? I am going to guess that it's way better than 40!
I get about 72 in and 72 out on my ATT hotspot.
 

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I get about 72 in and 72 out on my ATT hotspot.
Cynthia, Wilmy,

I have only a "good" (3 bars) T-Mobile connection to my cell tower from a facing window on the 2nd story of my house, which is about 1.5mi away as the crow flies -- or, I should say, as the microwaves fly. There are trees in the way too. I'm getting anywhere from 200 - 330 Megabits per second download speed, and 10 - 20 Mb/s upload speeds. Ping round-trip is ~30 milliseconds. All that is pretty close to par with what I got with my cable provider (Spectrum).

It all depends on whether the cellular company (T-Mobile in my case) has the infrastructure in your area to provide home internet for you. T-Mobile's web site let's you know right off the bat if it's available based on your location, so you should check with that right-away to see if you can even use this technology.

If you have it nearby, the next important thing is to place the cellular device in a place that gets the best signal. T-Mobile provides a spiffy phone app for doing that.

Anyway, good luck. I am very, very happy with this change. And, if you check out T-Mobile, they have a 55+ cellphone plan which you might want to switch to also. I was already using that ($70/mo for 2 lines, unlimited data).

I do want to say that if you have access to FiOS at your home, which I don't think you do, then cellular will not come close to those speeds. Fiber optic cable to your house is a VERY big pipe and cellular can't compete. BUT, I would argue that most people don't need that bandwidth either.

Hope that helps!
 

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Trying to increase my understanding of speed and came across this:

"WiFi currently comes in two frequencies, 2.4 GHz, 5 GHz. 2.4 GHz is the default for most devices which results in declined speeds but more availability throughout the house or office. It has only three available channels, and is utilized by Bluetooth, remote controls, and microwave ovens. It can get crowded quickly, resulting in decreased speeds."

Microwave ovens can decrease WiFi speed? ... Or something? That's why they say don't put your stuff close to a microwave oven? But how does it interfere? Does it send out its own GHz or grab some that are floating around?
 

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Cynthia, Wilmy,

I have only a "good" (3 bars) T-Mobile connection to my cell tower from a facing window on the 2nd story of my house, which is about 1.5mi away as the crow flies -- or, I should say, as the microwaves fly. There are trees in the way too. I'm getting anywhere from 200 - 330 Megabits per second download speed, and 10 - 20 Mb/s upload speeds. Ping round-trip is ~30 milliseconds. All that is pretty close to par with what I got with my cable provider (Spectrum).

It all depends on whether the cellular company (T-Mobile in my case) has the infrastructure in your area to provide home internet for you. T-Mobile's web site let's you know right off the bat if it's available based on your location, so you should check with that right-away to see if you can even use this technology.

If you have it nearby, the next important thing is to place the cellular device in a place that gets the best signal. T-Mobile provides a spiffy phone app for doing that.

Anyway, good luck. I am very, very happy with this change. And, if you check out T-Mobile, they have a 55+ cellphone plan which you might want to switch to also. I was already using that ($70/mo for 2 lines, unlimited data).

I do want to say that if you have access to FiOS at your home, which I don't think you do, then cellular will not come close to those speeds. Fiber optic cable to your house is a VERY big pipe and cellular can't compete. BUT, I would argue that most people don't need that bandwidth either.

Hope that helps!

I need to “vent" a wee bit because this is a misconception I've seen even high-end networking people repeat.

FIOS is not "bigger" or "fatter" and it does not offer "more bandwidth" or anything of the sort. Even ISPs and carriers get these terms wrong so please don't take this as an attack on you. :) The term does have some relevance at the provider level but usually what they mean when they say "bandwidth" is "capacity" but that doesn't sound smart or sexy so bandwidth gets bandied about (I blame marketing). While a FIOS link likely does have more bandwidth than, say, cable when it comes to how the end user views things, that doesn't matter much. Ham radio HF guys are acutely aware of bandwidth when transmitting because if they transmit with their carrier near the end of the legal spectrum then their signal will spill outside the legal range and they'll get a visit from the FCC. This is an actual bandwidth problem.

Bandwidth is the amount of frequency spectrum used to send a signal. Bandwidth is important in things like WiFi and Cellular because they are both radios and the spectrum is shared so a wider bandwidth means more of the spectrum is consumed which means a higher quality signal can be sent that likely contains more data than a smaller bandwidth (depending on encoding). WiFi channels on your AP (like all radios) are legally limited in the bandwidth they can consume. Some can couple multiple channels together to double the bandwidth and in this scenario the "pipe" is "fatter" or "wider" quite literally, but that's not what's happening with DSL, Cable, FIOS, Ethernet, etc.

The thing that really makes FIOS better is the fact that it's faster. Now, bandwidth is definitely in the equation but it's so far down the stack that only electrical engineers should be worried about it. The only thing that matters when it comes to Internet coming into your premises is speed (and latency, but for most people latency doesn't matter much).

This is all kind of amusing to me because we measure our connections in Mbps and Gbps which are literally bits per second which is a measure of speed just like miles per hour. This gets complicated with encoding schemes, but really what everyone wants is more speed. The faster the bits can be delivered to better your streaming video will be. Damn near everyone is streaming video these days, and if you've ever noticed pixelation while doing so that's because the bits could not be delivered fast enough. In a world where everyone want so to stream in 4K, more speed is always better.

As I said I've seen high-level networking people get this wrong. If you want to learn about bandwidth then get a ham radio license. Nothing says nerd like a ham radio license. :)
 

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Trying to increase my understanding of speed and came across this:

"WiFi currently comes in two frequencies, 2.4 GHz, 5 GHz. 2.4 GHz is the default for most devices which results in declined speeds but more availability throughout the house or office. It has only three available channels, and is utilized by Bluetooth, remote controls, and microwave ovens. It can get crowded quickly, resulting in decreased speeds."

Microwave ovens can decrease WiFi speed? ... Or something? That's why they say don't put your stuff close to a microwave oven? But how does it interfere? Does it send out its own GHz or grab some that are floating around?

Have you ever watch a SciFi show or movie and they say "Jam their transmission!"?

A microwave emits noise in the 2.4GHz range and that noise makes it difficult for WiFi to work since WiFi requires good clean reception of digital patterns. When the noise is present that noise is "jamming" the WiFi transmission.
 

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I need to “vent" a wee bit because this is a misconception I've seen even high-end networking people repeat.

FIOS is not "bigger" or "fatter" and it does not offer "more bandwidth" or anything of the sort. Even ISPs and carriers get these terms wrong so please don't take this as an attack on you. :) The term does have some relevance at the provider level but usually what they mean when they say "bandwidth" is "capacity" but that doesn't sound smart or sexy so bandwidth gets bandied about (I blame marketing). While a FIOS link likely does have more bandwidth than, say, cable when it comes to how the end user views things, that doesn't matter much. Ham radio HF guys are acutely aware of bandwidth when transmitting because if they transmit with their carrier near the end of the legal spectrum then their signal will spill outside the legal range and they'll get a visit from the FCC. This is an actual bandwidth problem.

Bandwidth is the amount of frequency spectrum used to send a signal. Bandwidth is important in things like WiFi and Cellular because they are both radios and the spectrum is shared so a wider bandwidth means more of the spectrum is consumed which means a higher quality signal can be sent that likely contains more data than a smaller bandwidth (depending on encoding). WiFi channels on your AP (like all radios) are legally limited in the bandwidth they can consume. Some can couple multiple channels together to double the bandwidth and in this scenario the "pipe" is "fatter" or "wider" quite literally, but that's not what's happening with DSL, Cable, FIOS, Ethernet, etc.

The thing that really makes FIOS better is the fact that it's faster. Now, bandwidth is definitely in the equation but it's so far down the stack that only electrical engineers should be worried about it. The only thing that matters when it comes to Internet coming into your premises is speed (and latency, but for most people latency doesn't matter much).

This is all kind of amusing to me because we measure our connections in Mbps and Gbps which are literally bits per second which is a measure of speed just like miles per hour. This gets complicated with encoding schemes, but really what everyone wants is more speed. The faster the bits can be delivered to better your streaming video will be. Damn near everyone is streaming video these days, and if you've ever noticed pixelation while doing so that's because the bits could not be delivered fast enough. In a world where everyone want so to stream in 4K, more speed is always better.

As I said I've seen high-level networking people get this wrong. If you want to learn about bandwidth then get a ham radio license. Nothing says nerd like a ham radio license. :)
I guess I said it wrong, GAD. Faster is what I meant, though. :)

To be clear for Cynthina, cramming bits per second up and down the pipe (whatever pipe is being used) is the important number/speed that matters here. Latency is not a huge factor when streaming lots of devices, which is what we discussed recently in TCP (ping) vs. UDP (stream) connections.
 

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Oh, another thing. I'm using about 1 terabyte of data per month over the home internet plan. That's 1000 gigabytes (well a bit more than that if we're being technical :)). This is a small sample size - just about 3 weeks worth -- but that's close.
 

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I guess I said it wrong, GAD. Faster is what I meant, though. :)

To be clear for Cynthina, cramming bits per second up and down the pipe (whatever pipe is being used) is the important number/speed that matters here. Latency is not a huge factor when streaming lots of devices, which is what we discussed recently in TCP (ping) vs. UDP (stream) connections.

Nah - you're good. Sometimes I just need to let the semantic pedantry out or it bubbles up and explodes. :)
 
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