Just purchased - JF30-12.

GardMan · Jul 20, 2009

Hey Mark,
How's David doing? I think of him every time I play my pearwood D-44... (feel free to respond in the "members only" section).
Dave

GuildFS4612CE · Jul 21, 2009

Howdy back at you, Mark.

Guildmark · Jul 21, 2009

Sorry, Dave.

I've been away from LTG too long. I forgot that if the system logs you off automatically for inactivity, you lose whatever you had been writing in a yet-to-be-posted message. I got called away from my report on David and lost the whole freaking thing. :x And I was just finishing it, too. :evil:
I'll get back to it in a little while and write it in Word, then paste it in.

Later.

irishjohnny · Jul 21, 2009

Thanks to all contributors - I have found a tech who has advised that he may be able to help; so, work allowing, I will be taking the box to him this weekend.

I shall update this thread as and when I can.

IJ.

Graham · Jul 21, 2009

Good on ya Johnny

Scratch · Jul 21, 2009

Mark,
Is there a chance Dave & Barbara will make it to Arlington?
Best... Ken

Guildmark · Jul 22, 2009

There is, indeed! I think Barbara is looking into it this week.
Cross your fingers!

irishjohnny · Jul 24, 2009

I note from Larry Sandberg's The Acoustic Guitar Guide (Pennington NJ, 1991, p. 193), that the JF30s (6 & 12-string) both feature scalloped bracing. Given the pressure of the strings on a 12-model, I am amazed that braces CAN be scalloped on these instruments! That said, I own one other guitar with scalloped bracing (a 6-string), and there is no doubt that it makes a difference to the volume of the guitar (all other things being equal, of course).

Perhaps this is why the guy from whom I bought the JF30-12 purchased it 10 years ago in preference to more expensive models available in the store that he thought that he would have liked better. He told me that the tone of the JF30-12 had the other, dearer models (with ebony/pearl/block inlays/binding, etc.) beaten hands-down. (Sandberg's book notes that the JF55s & 65s have "hand shaved" bracing - whatever that means?).

I look forward to double-checking all this when Hans Moust's book arrives in the post.

cuthbert · Jul 24, 2009

irishjohnny said:
I note from Larry Sandberg's The Acoustic Guitar Guide (Pennington NJ, 1991, p. 193), that the JF30s (6 & 12-string) both feature scalloped bracing. Given the pressure of the strings on a 12-model, I am amazed that braces CAN be scalloped on these instruments! That said, I own one other guitar with scalloped bracing (a 6-string), and there is no doubt that it makes a difference to the volume of the guitar (all other things being equal, of course).

Perhaps this is why the guy from whom I bought the JF30-12 purchased it 10 years ago in preference to more expensive models available in the store that he thought that he would have liked better. He told me that the tone of the JF30-12 had the other, dearer models (with ebony/pearl/block inlays/binding, etc.) beaten hands-down. (Sandberg's book notes that the JF55s & 65s have "hand shaved" bracing - whatever that means?).

I look forward to double-checking all this when Hans Moust's book arrives in the post.

My Ovation Custom Legend has scalloped braces...

...it's also true that there's some warping on the top.

irishjohnny · Jul 27, 2009

Well, the J30-12 is at the tech's place and I'm keeping my fingers crossed. He has a good reputation, so fingers crossed!

Also, I just took delivery of Hans Moust's book - what an excellent piece of work. It's so good that I was only slightly disappointed to find that the "story" stopped at 1977 (before the introduction of, among other models, the JF30-12!). But I take heart from Hans's preface (p.7) that he may do a "Part II"! I'm sure lots of people have said this before, but "Thanks for a great book, Hans!"

IJ.

chazmo · Jul 27, 2009

Good luck, Johnny. You did the right thing.

JerryR · Jul 29, 2009

Graham said:
Ewe Arsehole

Gee - I hope Coastie didn't see this picture - I mean he isn't getting any younger, and you know, his heart........... :shock:

Gary ... are you still there... :?:

jgmaute · Jul 29, 2009

First of all Johnny, welcome, kick your shoes off, relax your mind...

Now speaking of leaving capos on a 12 (or any other guitar for that matter)...anyone remember those capos that had notches for a lever type adjustment in the top and a nylon strap that went around the back...Dunlops maybe...

geeze they're still making them

well, here's what leaving one on when I was working an outdoor festival for a couple of days did

yep, that's the back of the neck of my f-312 and that was done decades ago...'nough said?

cuthbert · Jul 30, 2009

jgmaute said:
First of all Johnny, welcome, kick your shoes off, relax your mind...

Now speaking of leaving capos on a 12 (or any other guitar for that matter)...anyone remember those capos that had notches for a lever type adjustment in the top and a nylon strap that went around the back...Dunlops maybe...

geeze they're still making them

well, here's what leaving one on when I was working an outdoor festival for a couple of days did

yep, that's the back of the neck of my f-312 and that was done decades ago...'nough said?

I was using the same dunlop capo on my 12 string and it damaged the binding...besides that, after a while the nylon stripe yields and becomes useless...

chazmo · Jul 30, 2009

That's funny. I lost my capo (like that one) years ago and always lamented having done so because it worked very well for me. That said, I never left it on the guitar, so I never ran into the problems you guys did.

These days, I've found that the thumbscrew/clamp capo (Shubb) is ideal. I"ll never buy another strap or spring-loaded capo again. I imagine, though, that if you leave a Shubb on the guitar indefinitely it'll make an imprint. Dunno.

irishjohnny · Jul 30, 2009

The tecchie with whom I have entrusted my JF30-12 has advised that, after he has finished his work, there should be NO problem whatever tuning the guitar up to concert pitch and playing it without a capo. After all, as we all know, a guitar never sounds quite as full and loud with a capo on it as it does without, does it?

However, I have just bought a Dadi CP003 capo and it is very, very good - although, as you say (and I do take this to heart), I do not intend to leave a capo - any capo - on any guitar when not playing it. I never have in the past, and the matter only arose because of my buying a 12-string and of there being a bit of a "tradition" of tuning these beasties down and capoing-up.

I am grateful for your continued interest and advice!

JerryR · Jul 31, 2009

jgmaute said:
...anyone remember those capos that had notches for a lever type adjustment in the top and a nylon strap that went around the back...Dunlops maybe...

geeze they're still making them

I've still gotten one in my guitar case - don't use it though :!: Generally prefer G7th's Nashville (like a streamlined Kayser) - also have a Kyser and a normal G7th. Never leave them on the guitar after singing though

onewilyfool · Jul 31, 2009

I'll bet it sings!!!

chazmo · Jul 31, 2009

Toss the Kyser and get a Shubb, Jerry. You'll never look back, and you'll be much happier.

JerryR · Aug 2, 2009

Chazmo said:
Toss the Kyser and get a Shubb, Jerry. You'll never look back, and you'll be much happier.

Chas - I just like easy spring clamp capos like the Kyser and the G7th Nashville. Quick to fit and move between songs. Tried the ordinary G7th which hand clamps but find it is a bit 'fussy' and has to fit just right. I'm sure the Shubb is excellent and know several guys who favor it but always felt it would be a bit fiddly to fit and screw up.

Just purchased - JF30-12.

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