adorshki
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Yes.
They were F30R's, rosewood bodies, but what they really did was use an F50 neck, so it's a long scale (25-5/8) compared to the earlier short-scales (24-3/4)
What the heck size is a F-30 anyway?
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adorshki
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I wondered the same re the body outline issue. I suspected F30's would have been started in Westerly ASAP since hey were high-demand at the time an wWesterly had the capacity. The 12-string production appeared to remain in Hoboken (which seemed to retain production of electrics and high-end builds) until it finally closed "by 1969".Also I see that Jake Wildwood had a '69 F-30 - to me it looks like the body on that one is 4 3/4" deep. And this was one of the first 10 built in 1969. So I wonder if all 1969 F-30s had the deeper 4 3/4" body:
Compared to this example of a 1968 F-30 (serial AI 2095), which to my eyes has the shallower 4 1/4" depth:
So it would appear to me that 1969 is when the change started. I wonder if this coincided with a move in production for the F-30 from Hoboken to Westerly?
So, wondered if they used new body bucks in Westerly while still using old ones in Hoboken for the F112?
Not that it "matters" that much, just suspect there's a logical explanation for these variances based on production exigencies, if not simply a program of evolving the design during production, which also is a well-known possibility for them.
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Al, the earlier version F-30R like mine is also long-scale, as are all the mini-jumbo F-30s produced from ‘72 to ‘85.
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It's not the size of the guitar, but how you use it.
This tiny F30 has more sound inside that box that any guitar I have, has trounced everything in the collection over and over, to the point where I need to sell everything else, it even walks over a DC5E on single notes, 1st and 2nd strings 10-12th fret, louder, clearer, a lot more resonance.
It has an amazing voice that lets me speak.
This tiny F30 has more sound inside that box that any guitar I have, has trounced everything in the collection over and over, to the point where I need to sell everything else, it even walks over a DC5E on single notes, 1st and 2nd strings 10-12th fret, louder, clearer, a lot more resonance.
It has an amazing voice that lets me speak.
Guildedagain
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Big prices, owners seem pretty proud, and rightly so.
Top of the heap current sold prices.
And the bottom. Someone got a killer deal!
Top of the heap current sold prices.
And the bottom. Someone got a killer deal!
adorshki
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Yeah, I thought I might be implying that earlier F50R's were shortscale when I only meant the original F30's, and changed my wording a bit, but I wasn't clear enough, and actually wasn't sure if there even were shortscale F50R's and was too lazy to look it up.
But it needed clarification so thanks.
adorshki
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The glories of 'hog in a well proportioned body.
SFIV1967
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I once had a discussion with Hans about the F-112 which shared the F-30 body style. His opinion was:
"The '60s style F-30 body is more like a fingerstyle guitar with good definition and not a very deep voice. Really nice sounding in a 12-string. Not very aggressive. Bright and clear with not too much low end.
The '70s style F-30 body is more like a small jumbo; very well suited for fingerstyle but great for strumming. The deeper body gives it a nice 'low end' rumble, that some people like.
If you're a strummer, you should go for the '70s style but if you like intimate fingerstyle, the '60s style might be the better choice."
Ralf
Guildedagain
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The early guitar is a feather, no doubt, weighs 4.20lbs. Later guitars feel like tanks to me.
It's the most reliced acoustic I've had, but no top cracks.
Thick slab of figured Brazilian Roasewood, lots of headstock angle.
It's a lot like some cars I've had. Moody, a little too much personality. I had a BMW 320i that absolutely refused to start when a guy came over to buy it, but started afterwards... And this one I had a guy wanting to meet at a coffee shop, play it and buy it, and the guitar sounded pitiful I figured I'd save us both the trouble. But now, and also with EJ16's I put on there just to hold the neck on, probably about a year old now, and wow, does it sing.
And like it speaks, arpeggiate the D chord and you hear all kinds of yummy overtones, like maple syrup on oatmeal, I'm not getting that from the other guitars. Did some extensive trialing yesterday afternoon - must the spring cleaning thing - the F30 in dropped D, as well as all others, only one comes close is the D5CE but in the end I would keep the F30CE over it because of the 24 frets and strung with EB Rock n Blues strings you can do all of the rock/blues G string bends til the cows come home.
An oddity about the F30CE, just cleaning it on intake a couple summers ago I noticed the top was oddly resonant, so I checked the frequency, the top rings out an A virtually on the dot.
Another amazing Guild.
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adorshki
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Wonder if it's due to all that mysterious glop they smeared all over the inside? A long-lost secret formula that got away when that one was accidentally shipped out and the only guy who knew the formula went to work for Kaman Corporation sound-proofing helicopters and died in an unfortunate industrial accident in a locked echo chamber..The early guitar is a feather, no doubt, weighs 4.20lbs. Later guitars feel like tanks to me.
It's the most reliced acoustic I've had, but no top cracks.
Thick slab of figured Brazilian Roasewood, lots of headstock angle.
It's a lot like some cars I've had. Moody, a little too much personality. I had a BMW 320i that absolutely refused to start when a guy came over to buy it, but started afterwards... And this one I had a guy wanting to meet at a coffee shop, play it and buy it, and the guitar sounded pitiful I figured I'd save us both the trouble. But now, and also with EJ16's I put on there just to hold the neck on, probably about a year old now, and wow, does it sing.
And like it speaks, arpeggiate the D chord and you hear all kinds of yummy overtones, like maple syrup on oatmeal, I'm not getting that from the other guitars. Did some extensive trialing yesterday afternoon - must the spring cleaning thing - the F30 in dropped D, as well as all others, only one comes close is the D5CE but in the end I would keep the F30CE over it because of the 24 frets and strung with EB Rock n Blues strings you can do all of the rock/blues G string bends til the cows come home.
An oddity about the F30CE, just cleaning it on intake a couple summers ago I noticed the top was oddly resonant, so I checked the frequency, the top rings out an A virtually on the dot.
Another amazing Guild.
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Can we assume E-type means the cat?
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So hard to come up with a discussion board handle. I inherited my dad’s ‘66 E-type about 10 years ago. It’s currently sitting until I can get it in to deal with a brake warning light.
What a neat car, E-type! Good luck with it!
SFIV1967
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Actually that came from the American automotive journalist Henry N. Manney III who wrote for the American Road & Track magazine. When R&T road tested the XK-E Jaguar in April 1964, it was Manney who recognized the car’s appeal as “The greatest crumpet collector known to man.”
Ralf
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So hard to come up with a discussion board handle. I inherited my dad’s ‘66 E-type about 10 years ago. It’s currently sitting until I can get it in to deal with a brake warning light.
Nice! That's a 2+2, right?
adorshki
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Yep, my dad was 6’4” so couldn’t fit in a 2 seater.