What the heck size is a F-30 anyway?

[fronobulax]

We have a landline, and I've noticed that speaker reproduction doesn't work nearly as well for the listener as actual soundwaves from a guitar, acoustic guitar sounds much better over the telephone, comes through better.

<veer - although we knew that>
For many measures of audio quality using a landline and associated equipment produces a higher quality result than a cell phone - at least it did a decade ago when there were more landlines and fewer high quality cell phones. IIRC (which I often don't) quality was defined and measured using tools and techniques usually applied to speakers and amplifiers of high fidelity gear. The width of the frequency response, absence of any digital to and from analog conversions and better speakers and mics in the handset were some of the reasons landlines did better. But neither makes "hold music" sound any better.

 

[jfilm]

NOW THERE's that colour I mentioned few times on different discussions - soooooooo pretty - also w natural top - but that red on neck & body

Responding to earlier guitar-related veer:

Here's a '66 F-20 on Reverb (no affiliation), sides and burst matching nicely:

 

[adorshki]

NOW THERE's that colour I mentioned few times on different discussions - soooooooo pretty - also w natural top - but that red on neck & body

My favorite 'burst as well. Even noticed a "Red Sunburst" finish option in one of the mid '80's price lists recently and suspect that must be it, even though the label only says "SB".

Also I see that Jake Wildwood had a '69 F-30 - to me it looks like the body on that one is 4 3/4" deep. And this was one of the first 10 built in 1969. So I wonder if all 1969 F-30s had the deeper 4 3/4" body:

Compared to this example of a 1968 F-30 (serial AI 2095), which to my eyes has the shallower 4 1/4" depth:

So it would appear to me that 1969 is when the change started. I wonder if this coincided with a move in production for the F-30 from Hoboken to Westerly?

I just remembered there's one other possible explanation for the difference: Hans has mentioned before that in Westerly the body bucks weren't uniform, they could vary by as much as 1/4" from "spec". The sides were sanded down level with edges of the bucks before tops were mounted.

So it was entirely possible for 2 guitars "Next to each other" in the same run, whose bucks were at the limits of their tolerance, to have as much as a combined full 1/2" difference in their depths.

Easy to forget given all the more evident changes to the model. Good general principle to remember even if not actually the case here.

 

[hansmoust]

I just remembered there's one other possible explanation for the difference: Hans has mentioned before that in Westerly the body bucks weren't uniform, they could vary by as much as 1/4" from "spec". The sides were sanded down level with edges of the bucks before tops were mounted.

No, that's not what I told in my earlier posting, but you keep repeating the wrong information. Look up the original thread!

Sincerely,

Hans Moust
www.guitarsgalore.nl

 

[adorshki]

Wow, I think I've been corrected more courteously before, but not by Hans.

 

[adorshki]

No, that's not what I told in my earlier posting, but you keep repeating the wrong information. Look up the original thread!

Sincerely,

Hans Moust
www.guitarsgalore.nl

 

[davismanLV]

Wow, I think I've been corrected more courteously before, but not by Hans.

We've all been Hans'd.... but usually left wondering what the real answer is... reaction is okay...being vague is not. He's the king of that!! So what is the real answer?? We'll never know.... until the book but if you wanna build a following... maybe....

 

[adorshki]

We've all been Hans'd.... but usually left wondering what the real answer is... reaction is okay...being vague is not. He's the king of that!! So what is the real answer?? We'll never know.... until the book but if you wanna build a following... maybe....

From here:
https://letstalkguild.com/ltg/index.php?threads/nh-f-50-vs-ri-jf30-size-difference-pics.188794/

Maybe you should try to find that original posting from me, but I never talked about 'body bucks' of different depth. I usually call them 'collars' in which the sides were clamped during the 'back fitting' procedure. During the sanding procedure, the worker could sand more (or less) material from the sides until the back would fit properly, which caused the difference in the final depth between bodies of the same model.

Sincerely,

Hans Moust
www.guitarsgalore.nl

I was incorrect in detail even if concept is correct. Instant fail.

 

[davismanLV]

SORR-EEE... Canadian pronunciation.... so now I'm just gonna pass out. Love ya bud....

 

[jedzep]

A deep bod, Hobo period F-30? I'd fight through the cobwebs in my wallet for one of those.

 

[Guildedagain]

We've all been Hans'd

I haven't been that I can remember but I don't try to know a lot of technical stuff that would get me in trouble. This is why I had to put tags on my guitars cases, I have trouble remembering the model names much less the details and I'm such a ridiculous purist that even late 70's Westerly guitars turn me off, so I don't know nutin about later ones couldn't tell you a thing, and I don't want to learn. I'm a nostalgia freak, I don't care about guitars that much, but if I do they have to be old and they have to be really nice, and even better, special.