Please Help This Senile Old Man

[mavuser]

you're kind of like on an island.

@twocorgis is very much on an island!! same one as me

 

[Br1ck]

Runout has no bearing on sound or structure. Like dark streaks, some don't mind. to some it's a deal breaker. Some bookmatched mandolin backs don't look book matched at all. though they are. Same category as bearclaw. Cosmetic.

 

[adorshki]

It's a bad thing. Very odd. We like symmetry, like Denzel or Brad, this also makes one's chances of mating a lot higher, better genes, and probably better jeans.

I've never had a guitar with the [perceived] problem in decades of wanton guitar acquisition.

But tonally, what does it do for tone, because the two side aren't perfectly the same the way they reflect light I'm thinking it's the same with tone?

No they're not identical enough to cause phase cancellation through vibrating in inverse relationship.
But that could be the source of some of the more interesting Bluegrass player manifestations.

 

[adorshki]

Is that more visible from one angle than the other?

Yes the visibility changes with the angle due to chatoyancy.

 

[West R Lee]

That's it.........I'm sending this one back!

West

 

[adorshki]

That's it.........I'm sending this one back!

West

Couldn't you just get it refinished in black?

 

[GGJaguar]

That's it.........I'm sending this one back!

Who could blame you?

 

[Rayk]

It's a bad thing. Very odd. We like symmetry, like Denzel or Brad, this also makes one's chances of mating a lot higher, better genes, and probably better jeans.

I've never had a guitar with the [perceived] problem in decades of wanton guitar acquisition.

But tonally, what does it do for tone, because the two side aren't perfectly the same the way they reflect light I'm thinking it's the same with tone?

It makes the tone run down and out kind of like chevron’s pointing the way some go left right some slant down and left and some slant right . Never up though unless on an airport runway ! Yeah up is a must ! Lol
Wow that’s a tee shirt for pilots! Haha

 

[Rayk]

I think in Oxnard, runout would be considered GSR so, congrats!

Ooo burn ! Lmao wonder if Yamaha watching us ?

 

[West R Lee]

Couldn't you just get it refinished in black?

Now there's an idea......or just spray paint it myself........black ha?

West

 

[Rayk]

so runout is not considered as worthy as bear claw, good to know

Um unless I’m smoking the crack pipe again runout is nothing like bear claw .
(Bubbling sounds reverberating in the back round ) breath held followed by extreme coughing * luv u man !

 

[West R Lee]

so runout is not considered as worthy as bear claw, good to know Richard.

anyway, I like the look Sandy, and since it does not impact the tone, and you love it, bought it twice so to speak, well that alone speaks for itself. So you have (had) a Guild with the shortest saddle known to man and now the most runout Guild known to man. you're kind of like on an island.

But if you can find "running bear claws" you've really got something Wood.

West

 

[Westerly Wood]

Ooo burn ! Lmao wonder if Yamaha watching us ?

Ah no. They could care less about LTG.

 

[bobouz]

I much prefer a guitar with little to no runout, but if the instrument makes it to my keeper list, I tend to not pay as much attention to it after a while. It typically is more pronounced when grain lines are not running at a true vertical through the top, but rather appear tilted as you look at them via the soundlhole's edge. Some folks also believe this less-than-ideal cut of the wood can have an impact on tone, but personally I don't buy that as any kind of a significant audible factor you could pin down.

I've seen a number of pre-war Martins that display considerable runout, but regardless, they remain highly desirable & still cost a small fortune!

 

[7GuildsandanSG]

Is it called runout because it looks they ran out of matching wood?

 

[kostask]

Runout happens on guitar tops when they are not perfectly on the quarter (as the wood is cut). Even a couple of degrees off from 90% will be visible.

Bearclaw is a variation in the grain lines of the wood, and has more to do with the way the wood grew. Unlike the term, it isn't due to bears sharpening their claws on trees. I don't know if we have completely figured out why it happens. Some have suggested that it is to very big, tall trees compressing the wood near the base due to the weight bearing down, and I don't know that is valid or not. It does happen though, and at one time was thought to be a wood defect, now it is something that is prized, and many are willing to pay for.

Neither wood variation makes any discernible difference in tone, in my experience.

 

[adorshki]

It makes the tone run down and out kind of like chevron’s pointing the way some go left right some slant down and left and some slant right . Never up though unless on an airport runway ! Yeah up is a must ! Lol
Wow that’s a tee shirt for pilots! Haha

I love it when you speak in your native tongue.

 

[adorshki]

Now there's an idea......or just spray paint it myself........black ha?

West

Don't-cha remember what Paul (Hideglue) once said: "Black guitars weren't planned, they 'happened'."

 

[adorshki]

I much prefer a guitar with little to no runout, but if the instrument makes it to my keeper list, I tend to not pay as much attention to it after a while.

Agreed, and I bet the racing stripe and slight bearclaw in the top of my D25 wouldn't look nearly as good if it had significant runout.

Um unless I’m smoking the crack pipe again runout is nothing like bear claw .
(Bubbling sounds reverberating in the back round ) breath held followed by extreme coughing * luv u man !

It may not be crack but I know the sound of beer-claw when I hear it.

 

[adorshki]

That's it.........I'm sending this one back!

West

Seriously though, I wonder if it becomes less discernible as the top ambers up?

I estimate about 900 hours of outdoor playing on my D25's top:

Love that stripe. Really stands out now.